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anemone vs hermit crabs

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#1 ·
i have an empty 10 gallon aquarium. i am wondering if it is possible to create it into something i will need later on. breeder tank, refugium, maybe even both. i am hoping to really make it into a refugium, since i already have a sump. what do i need? i have some sugar size sand i am going to add into my already set 125 gallon aquarium, and i am willing to take some out of there. i ahev no corals, but i need somewhere to put my anemone. i bought two, and instead got three. i returned two of them, and put one in my tank. i thought i would give it to a friend of mine, then found out he had given away his tank. i now know that my anemony isnt too agressive for my tank after all, but if i put my anemone in my tank my clownfish will fight over it. that is the reason i need two anemones. i want to keep one in there with some tank water until i buy another. the thing is, i do not have any space for the tank. is it allright to keep it outside? it will have a llid on it, and it will also have a pump for circulation. i cannot keep it indoors, as my parents said that two tanks indoors was enough. i am worried about where to put it. what do i need, and what can i do to keep my anemone alive untill further notice?also, another reason i don't paut it in my tank is i got 15 hermit crabs. (it is a 125 gallon tank so i don't think it will; by much of a problem) and i read they do anot go well together. is it because the anemone kills the crabs? the crabs kill the anemone? or both? someone please respond to this asap. i have it in a styrofoam box, and i know that that is not enough for it. i want it to feel as confortable as possible.
 
#2 ·
I don't mean to sound like the Anemone Police, but are you absolutely sure putting the anemone in your existing tank is going to cause a fight? Because that's probably the best place for it (perhaps even utilizing a partition), other than the LFS at this point.

Captive life expectancy of an anemone is already not all that good, and you're wanting to put it outside?

I don't know where you're at since you didn't fill out your location in your profile, but the natural diurnal temperature difference in nearly ANY location would be enough temperature swing to put any sort of livestock, let alone delicate anemones, in danger of additional stress, leading to potential death.

I mean seriously, reefers go through hoops to keep their tanks ±1 degree. And you're suggesting a 15-20 degree swing in a 24 hour period? It's only a 10 gallon tank. It's not going to be much off from the ambient temperature. So will you be adding a heater and chiller to keep a stable temperature?

And I doubt you'll be putting a coral-capable light on it while it's outside, so it'll need natural sunlight which may be too intense for the nem at this point in it's captive life.

Also, existing tank water may not be enough to keep the nem healthy while you get a permanent home figured out.

I'm not trying to beat you up. I'm attempting to enumerate why putting it outside is not a good idea.

If I were you, I'd risk a fish fight or get the tank partitioned with a sheet of acrylic. If you're not willing to do that, I think the LFS should be your next best option.

At least try your existing tank. Many clowns takes weeks or even months to even begin to host. And keep an eye on those hermits, just in case.

So now is where someone comes along and says "Yeah, no big deal. I've kept anemones outside for 15 years!" ;)

Anyway, regardless of your choice, I hope it works out for you, fishy. :thumbup:
 
#3 ·
i understand what you are trying to state, and you make a very good point, but what i am trying to ask is if it will hold for a night or two while i buy the second anemone so i can put them both in my tank for my clownfish to go in. i have a saddleback maroon and an ocellaris, i know it isn't too smart, but they've gotten along so far, i just want to end all possible quarries. i am selling/returning the anemone because i learned it will not completely support my clownfish because
1:is is too small. it is only two sentimeters wide
2:it is not commonly known to host clownfish
and 3:i accidentally bought red legged hermit crabs instead of the blue ones, and i read online that red legged hermit crabs are born predators for my anemone. it is a Condy Anemone.
i know most people use quarantine tanks. i mixed up refugeum with quarantine tank. i want to build a quarantine tank. should it be permanent? i stated that i have a 10 gallon tank, and am thinking about using an aqua tech 5-15 filter. i am also going to put some live rock in and some live sand with some water from my aquarium. i will put in two-3 hermit crabs to maintain the algae. my question is, is it possible to make a homemade one? i live in palatine il(not getting any more detailed) and it is nearing august, meaning winter. i have a variety of heater i might and will use if kept outside, but am reconsidering the location. i might put it on a desk. i have a 20 gallon freshwater setup and the 125 gallon saltwater are taking up a lot of my room. i want to take every precaution necessary to keeping my tank up and running. i am making water changes every two weeks, and i have a protein skimmer. i am broke, so can i have some information on how to make my own quarantine tank? and if possible, can it also be a five gallon? i have no space for too much. saltwater. also, do i have to take apart and rebuild the quarantine tank for every use? i know that salt is expensive. keep in mind, i am only 14 and i have to have some ideas my parents will go for. my lfs is not really an option, because i notice most of their fish are in poor condition.
 
#5 ·
Alright, so "further notice" came down to "couple of days" ;)

I'm still thinking why not partition off even just a corner of your 125 with some plexiglass? Just something to keep the crabs out. It wouldn't take much no bigger than the anemone is.

Something else that may work would be to get a suction cupped shelf and suspend it in a corner, out of reach of the crabs. But there's nothing keeping the anemone from wandering away if it's not happy there.

To actually plumb a 10 gallon into your system to use as a refugium is not a bad idea, but it's not cheap if you don't have the parts. You're going to need a return pump, an overflow (if your 125 isn't drilled) and some tubing.

I don't know, man. Is there nothing you can do with the crabs for a couple of days? Like put them in your 2nd tank?

Also, some folks will float a plastic bowl and drill the sides to allow water through at a slow rate for getting frags to attach. Something like this would also keep your condy "leashed" while still out of reach of the crabs.

I just don't think that condy will have much of a chance in a small outdoor tank.

HTH
 
#6 ·
i know. i am thinking about exchanging it for 2 more crab and reef friendly anemones. i am planning on using it as a quarantine tank, as a refugium costs too much. do you have any idea how i can make it happen and what i need to put in there?also, any ideas on any anemone like that that aren't too expensive?
 
#7 ·
oh, my second tank is a freshwater, and i don't think they will survive. and if they do, i won't be able to take them all out. maybe four or five out of 15 of them. i tried the cup thingy and it works, but i need to be able to move it soon. at the moment, it is not too happy. its trying too move with no luck.
 
#8 ·
Other than the bowl, partition, or shelf method, that's as cheap as I can think of. You don't have a plastic bowl in the kitchen that your folks wouldn't miss? lol, not trying to get you in trouble or anything, but it's cheap and will keep the nem in and the crabs out. It just needs a few holes around it to let the water in and out.

Didn't realize the 2nd tank was freshwater.

It's not going to be happy in a bowl, but I think it will give it the best odds out of anything to keep it alive until you can get something else figured out.
 
#9 ·
As far as getting a quarantine tank set up, those are generally set up for temporary use. Folks will generally use a sponge filter (for bacteria), along with tank water to fill them. Sand and live rock are generally pointless since they're only in use for a few weeks.

Just keep on the water changes to keep the nitrates down and refill with tank water.

I don't have a QT myself, but you might do some searching for some more in-depth advice on them in the mean time.
 
#12 ·
The desk lamp is definitely not a good long-term solution, but for a couple of days it may be better than nothing.

And then again, it could be the equivalent of "nothing". I'm not up enough on PAR (photosynthetic radiation) levels to be able to tell you if it would be enough for an anemone or not. I'm leaning toward "not"... I just don't know if it would receive ANY benefit at all from it. Could you at least replace the bulb with a daylight type of bulb (5500K or 6500K or higher)? It's not optimal, but it's gotta be better than "soft white" ;)