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Reefkeeping made easy- what was not explained.

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here are a few threads that were started in another forum about what is going on in our system. hopefully some of you all will read the information here and start to get a handle on what makes our systems work or not work. I know this may require some reading and those on the internet are allergic to reading threads that are not theirs, but give this thread a go. I am hoping that it will answer most of the questions you may have about reefkeeping. these first three posts may be a bit disjointed. as they came from the other thread. I will try and edit them so that they flow a bit better and lead into each other better.

the biggest things we will be discussing in this thread are the biological process that are going on in our systems. these biological process are what most of the false information that is out there is about. this includes reef forums and LFS. The two main elemental processes we will be discussing are the Nitrogen and Phosphate cycles that are occurring in our systems. these two elements lead to the greatest confusion about what is going on in our little slices of ocean.

There will be a lot of information in this thread. I will be linking to other threads with even more reading and papers on the subject at hand for even further reading. This hobby is easy if you understand what is going on, if you do not care to understand what is going on and listen to a lot of false information out there, then this hobby can be very frustrating and lots of wasted money.
I would anybody to ask questions if they need clarifications. I will try and keep things as short as possible to keep the reading down to a minimum, but some of this stuff is fairly long winded in general.

G~

UPDATE

A sort of Table of Contents for the thread. please feel free to PM any subjects or pages i should add to the contents.

Introduction: Page 1
Nitrogen cycle: Pages 1-2, 22
Phosphates: Page 3, 31
Sources of Phosphates: Page 3
Phosphate Cycle Graphics: Page 35
Early Tank Processes: Page 30
Problems with Sand: Page 4, 19
Sandbed Cleaning:page 7
DSB's: Page 9
BB Alternatives: Page 25
About LR: Page 8
LR Purging: Page 19, 26
Cured LR: Page 23
Tank Flow: Page 7
Light: Pages 13-15
Kalkwasser: Page 12, 17
Feeding: Pages 17-19
Zoax: Pages 15-17
Carbon Dosing: Pages 24-25
Tank Self Feeding: Page 27
Conservation of Matter: Page 28
Beer!: Pages 6-7
Bad Experts: Page 19
Definitions according to Spanky: Page 21
My Reference Links: Page 37
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Spanky = Bomber over there, but Boomer is/was a good friend of his.

Jerel = Spanky = Bomber

but Boomer has some great info as well!
Spanky = Bomber over there, but Boomer is/was a good friend of his.

Jerel = Spanky = Bomber

but Boomer has some great info as well!
Hmm..I think I mixed up the names. Thanks nate
Hmm..I think I mixed up the names. Thanks nate
ya, go figure, Boomer is a Bomb tech, and Bomber is a Marine Biologist, I guess one is a bomb and one like to go Boom, it is very confusing, took me awhile to figure it out!
ya, go figure, Boomer is a Bomb tech, and Bomber is a Marine Biologist, I guess one is a bomb and one like to go Boom, it is very confusing, took me awhile to figure it out!
Lmao...yeah that sounds about right. So is bomber still active ? I'm still laughing.:funny:
Lmao...yeah that sounds about right. So is bomber still active ? I'm still laughing.:funny:
No, he seemed to phase out around 06', last activity with his account was Last Activity: 07/28/2006 10:23 AM

from what I can figure out, there was a big falling out and the "big shots" all went their own ways... (still have not got the exact details since the boards deleted the last postings)
No, he seemed to phase out around 06', last activity with his account was Last Activity: 07/28/2006 10:23 AM

from what I can figure out, there was a big falling out and the "big shots" all went their own ways... (still have not got the exact details since the boards deleted the last postings)
Yeah I figured something like that happened after reading some post on here, oh well life goes on.
ya I tried to shoot him an E-Mail but I guess it was in vain :(

what I would give to get a few min to pick his brain :D
Yep, but you can pick randy's its a win win with him and in my opinion he is the guru of reef keeping.
Nope as far as I know he still keeps a sandbed. This is his tank.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2009270
Oh ok I have talked with him before :D

hmmm... I wonder if he took out the sand, if it might look less brown :p
Randy is great when it comes to chemistry. Spanky/Bomber has pointed out that chemistry is not exactly all that is going on in our systems. it is a lot of it, but not all of it. Randy's stuff tends to not take into account what bacteria are able to do. this was part of the problem with the sand bed stuff. the chemistry pointed to a solution, but in reality it was the bacteria that was really doing the work, not the chemistry. sand bed buffering stuff.

do not get me wrong Randy knows his stuff, but as Spanky said. he is a chemist not a biologist.

i unfortunately doubt we will ever see Spanky/Bomber on the boards again. :( there are a few links in this thread that kind of got into why he is not on here anymore. i believe they are under the "experts" listing. also if you read through the threads that talk about the articles from RC you can see why things got a bit heated. then there is the whole salt study, which is a bear to try and hunt down, because it is such a farce, and that really was the beginning of the end for the "experts". there were threats made and Spanky/Bomber decided it just was not worth it any more. so he left at almost the same time that the others were removed from RC.

if you would like to support all that Spanky/Bomber's has done for this hobby. buy from KeysCritters. ;)

G~
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not saying. :D

G~
:doh: :confused: :help: :worm:

well if you ever e-mail him, tell him thanks so much for me! :D
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just read everything. who was making threats?
just read everything. who was making threats?
the threats were not made in this thread. the threats were made around 2004. they were not from the DSB experts themselves.

G~
gotcha. i know things get crazy when people see things that could take away their livelihood. but really? these are reef tanks we're talking about, even if it is history. wow.
from what I can tell from broken links and such, 80% of that has been removed from the web, and that was across 10+ forums...

there was even a forum where they got mad because Jerel collected stag horn corals and they tried to get him in trouble... (he has a permit BTW)
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