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Hello to anyone, hope I don't type anything too amateur and stupid been reading so much on here most seem extremely knowledgable,I have kept freshwater mainly cichlids with good success breeding them well, but anything salty I have learnt from this forums. so therefore i have too many questions iching to get out regarding my particular little amateur set up.

Ok, I have set up an 80 litre so therefore nano tank? An aquaworld/Boyu/Orca (so many bloody makes appear to claim the patent on the design) theMt50. Was set up in the aquatic centre as a reef with live rock mushroom corals, Zoas etc and a couple of fish and Clean up crew. came with filter 1100 L/h return, heater and chemical media section all built into back. It has T5 18w pl compact dual blue/white light.
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600 L/H aquasyncro powerhead ('wavemaker'?) is it? Thought it must just be classes as power head as no adjustable flow or turbulence etc. after reading on here realised I need 20 times flow for the mushroom corals softys I could possibly keep in the poor lighting.
10 kg of 'cured' ? live rock from LFS created a design I think will allow good flow around it, 1.5 inch sand, RO salted water to SG of 1023, heated to 25. Ph close to 8,

Left it, It cycled (well what I realise now is an initial cycle, you can tell i a freshwater) so quick and in 6 days I was seeing ammonia 0, nitrite 0 nitrate 50 and the diatom brown algae began. Then the next day the nitrate went down to 5 ppm. I got my LFS to double check my water, they then gave the ok to add a very small CUC 2 small hermits one blue one orange, two snails. Next day I done a 20 percent water change added phosphate and nitrate media to filter compartment and put lights on timer, on for ten hours a day. 0 amm,0 nitrite, nitrate 1 ppm, SG 1023, ph 7.9. Then........
Trace of 0.2 (lower than 0.25 on test kit) ammonia. Crapped myself, rushed water sample to a different LFS and they confirmed 0.2 Ammon. They said the other LFS advised adding CUC too soon, advised to leave and hope for best. I am not feeding the CUC and ain't since went in due to them being scavengers but I added 'nite out' ammon detoxifying bacteria enough for the size of tank, left it and monitoring the ammonia. My god I waffle here the questions...
1. Did I add the critters too soon due to bad advice inpatience. Or like I have been reading is a mini cycle 'completely normal when adding livestock with marine' did nt experience with freshwater.
2. Am I doing right not water changing as its not rising I thought a water change would just make the mini cycle start again if I changed. he critters appear ok.
3. The LFS kind of conned me the set up I viewed was the set up I wanted I later found out the display set up had led lights and mine just had the T5 compact, is my lighting ok for shroom coral Zoas etc, I thought it was but is it definately? I do plan to upgrade to led in future.
4. I seem addicted to flow and like look of it can i add another 600 l/h power wave/ head, will it be waste of money or improve waste removal further etc.
5. After this ammonia spike I do not want to add anymore live stock for a few weeks and it will be a peppermint shrimp I want, I have a couple of big aptasia,I don't wanna use the poison for them aptasia x, should I, they are getting big the nasty anenomes.
6. Does adding the nite out really detoxify the ammonia and am I wasting money adding it every other day during this spike.
7. Is the filter sponge, chemical media going to cause me problems with nitrate should I ditch it and stick to the live rock and buy little skimmer,and regardless would removing it cause a mini cycle.
8. Will this diatom bloom be over soon I hate it.

Wow, thanks to whoever picks that lot up. Cheers, Grant.
 

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You added them alittle bit too soon. I would have waited till the tank was atleast 2 weeks cycled. And you are just experiencing a mini cycle from them. Don't do a water change until after the cycle is over. Otherwise, the cycle will just keep continuing. The lights you have will be fine for lower light corals, but no SPS. Also, never listen to what the LFS says. Always do your research before doing anything. You can add another power head as long as the flow is not to strong for the inhabitants. You can use that or kalk(I think that is what it is called). Also, if you get a peppermint, make sure they are the aiptasia eating kind. I would not add the nite out and just let the tank take its course. I would go with the skimmer and ditch the filter. What media are you using. If you are going to keep softies, I would run carbon in that tank. Yes the diatom bloom will be over soon. Within the first year your tank will probably have diatoms, cyano, and hair algae blooms. HTH

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Thanks so much Mr Fishy Man!.
Yeah I have finally realised that the LFS's are not the experts I thought they were. ok I will get a small skimmer am I right in thinking I need to get one which can handle double my tank flow/capacity? . I am running Seachem 'de nitrate' and Seachem 'sea gel organic and phosphate control' which the LFS recommended :( also a very large sponge filter is within the custom built compartment for it, dont think it is carbon based tho. ok I shall get some carbon . Thanks for the welcome! :)
 

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I'm not even going to try to answer all of that, but I'm going echo the above a little and affirm that you will have a mini cycle every time you change the biodemand. It tends to be worse when adding and will get smaller and quicker the more you have permanently in your tank and the more mature your tank is.
Regarding aiptasia, knock wood, I've been lucky so far, but not all shrimp sold as peppermints are the same species, and there are a couple others frequently confused, especially by box store folks who see pink and stripes, or just a delivery invoice, and are satisfied. The bigger the aiptasia, the less likely it will be eaten. The bigger and hungrier the shrimp, the more likely it will try it. The little ones will rarely touch it.
Welcome to the salty side, most of my experience is with the fresh still as well, but I'm picking up a lot fast from this site.
 

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Thanks a lot CarlJ, appreciate it. yeah I ll check the best I can that the peppermint shrimp I get is the real deal. Hope so this aptasia getting out of hand on two particular pieces of rock one of the bloody things is huge like something outta Alien. I ll have to poison that one. thanks for the bioload knowledge. Getting obsessed spent a fortune but learning so much. :).
 
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