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A blue tang i just bought from Bio-reef either brought or caught the common cold to my 55 tank... yup it looks like ich... couldnt QT him cause my QT tank has a dwarf lion fish that im teaching to eat frozen krill in it so i puthim right in after purchase =/

anywho i was google'n and found this product that is safe with inverts and such http://www.nosickfish.com/products.php?product=1 anyone heard of it or used before?
 

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Hmm bio reef made the mistake of selling the fish to you in the first place. They did this with my girlfriends mom even though she has a medium sized sailfin also in her 55. This fish is an ich magnet under the wrong conditions. The only sure fire way to remove crypto is by removing the host (fish) for a period of 4-6 weeks. Other than that, you can try soaking foods in supplements (selcon), purchase a biological cure (cleaner shrimp), or go the chemical route (the product listed). I have not tried the no sick fish product but they even state that there is only an 85% success rate and that is IF the fish doesn't have the other kind of ick? It's your call mate. Sorry I couldn't give you a better response.
Here is some good reading for you
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/index.php
 

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You can't blame any LSF. When you buy a fish it must be put in a QT tank. This fish is prone to ICK so it is even more important to QT the fish. I am sure that if you tell a LFS what you have they will give you the pros and cons. If the fish has ICH do some reseach but I would not use that product.
Remember, tell the LFS about your tank before you make a selection.
 

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Careful about placing the blame on the lfs for selling someone a fish. It is the purchaser that has the responsibility to know the needs of the animal they are buying.

That said, I have used ruby reef kick ick in the past with good results on a blue tang. But, I know several people who have had no results with it too. Good luck!
 

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Sumo - Try taking the fish out of the tank and taking him to a LFS and ask if they will treat the fish for you and hold it in QT. I believe this is the best method of taking care of the fish as the fish may die before you have the chance of receiving the medication.

To the others: You have to look at the situation from both sides of the fence. I don't see why you can't blame a local fish shop. The staff of businesses should be professionals don't you think? I disagree with your statement mecold regarding that it's the hobbyist responsibility to know whether or not the fish is compatible for a certain aquarium. It's not fair to those hobbyist whom aren't aware of the precautions that are needed for certain fish due to certain circumstances (No internet, books, outside sources). It's the employees responsibility to inform the buyer about their product as they are the supplier. This is what business is all about. That is why they work there, because they are specialist. That's why we have doctors at hospitals and engineers at bridges and not animal rights activist selling kenmore grills. How would you feel if you purchased a 50" plasma tv from a local electronics store only to find out it was outdated and it had faulty wiring that caused fires? Then Boom a fire erupts that night in your living room and it's your fault but it's okay because you were supposed to do research before hand. It's not logical. I mean they should ask a plethora of questions: what size the tank is, how many fish are in the tank, and how experienced they are, etc. Common questions that I'm sure they did ask, but if so then why did they let him purchase the fish? 55 gal tank? That right there is the first step to moving your lips and harmonizing your vocal chords to say "this fish is not suitable". I don't know one tang that is reccommended for anything under 75 unless it was just born out of the womb. I mean at one point or another, everybody in this hobby has looked to the fellow reefers at lfs for answers and help as we believe they are professional, expert aquarist. Do you not expect them to be? I'm pretty sure that if you were looking to build a patio, you would visit your local hardware store and not publix. Why? Because you expect the professionals to be there. I just don't think it was a smart move on their part. As a business student, I've learned that when one customer has a bad experience with your company, they will tell 11 people about the poor service, and they will each tell five more people. If only 25% of those people decide not to do business with your company, that's still 17 lost customers and potentially $1 million in lost revenue over their lifetime. Now whats the better choice? A quick 40 dollars for a fish or losing 1 million and shutting down? Now i'm not blaming bioreef as a business, but instead their salesmanship and I do understand this situation is a double standard. For all we know, the buyer could've lied but one way or another it's someones fault. somebody. I don't know who. but somebody. I think you might know who!......somebody. (Comedian Russell Peters :)
 

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I do agree that the store should take some responsibility up to the point of giving the suggestion not to purchase an animal. Unfortunately, the analogy of a plasma tv is a bit extreme. Especially to a person like myself that makes very calculated purchasing decisions. Hence the magazine consumer reports :) Having been a customer of all of the business types listed, I can safely say that any advice I have ever recieved from a store, other than a mom and pop store, has been marginal or biased. Try getting service from the big orange in the plumbing supply section, let alone advice.

As a fellow business student, I know the saying quite well. The problem with the saying is it does not apply equally with all industries. When a customer has a valid complaint, it resonates with the people they share their experience. If however they try to point the finger at a business based upon a specific error on the customers part, most of the time they will be politely nodded at and promptly ignored by the people they are sharing with. Of course, it is not the service failures, but how the company handles the failure that decide the difference between a good and a great company.

Now do I feel a lfs has let the person down, not really. Like you said, you have to see it from both sides. If I as a seller advise a person to purchase/not to purchase something based upon information I was given. I would stand by my advice, but would ultimately let the customer decide. How many times have you heard someone tell the store, "I wll be getting a bigger tank soon"? Or, to give a complete account of every animal in the tank? Most people just don't think about stocking density, only compatability. I have listened to countless people at the lfs here ask, "will this get along with a so and so?". Most don't ever ask about tank size. To be fair though, most lfs are not experts on every fish they carry as good fish info is hard to find. Plus, the liability one may incur by giving specific advice could be costly.
 

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Sumo, My minimal experience with blue tangs was similar to yours. I bought one that a week later had ick. From lots of reading I found out that blue tangs get ick quite commonly. Try a varied diet as well as any treatment you end up using. My blue tang was practically a carnivore. it did eat nori, but liked brine shrimp (and zoanthids :) ) better.
 

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Good call. I guess we do share some of the same outlooks, and yeah I gotta give it up to consumer reports lol I do like your point regarding how the business handles the situation and what not. I guess we'll just have to see who's fault it is! Is there somethin you aint tell us here Sumo!
 

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i did not mean for everyone to think i was downing bio reef.... from my experience i know that one drop of anothers water could carry enough stuffto bring ick to an ickfree tank and that if all your fish in your tank are healthy and happy ick will stay down till astressed fish catches it then there will be a chance of a breakout.... which is why i said the tang either caught or brought it with him.... and the tang is only 1"1/2 long so atm he is suitable for a 55...
 

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It's not fair to those hobbyist whom aren't aware of the precautions that are needed for certain fish due to certain circumstances (No internet, books, outside sources).
It is absolutely ridiculous to take the responsibility of a purchase off of the hobbyist.
 

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Plus as you said tsouth, a store would have to quarentine the fish for over a month in order to be sure they were selling a fish that had no chance of carrying ich. How is a store supposed to make money like that without doubling the price of the fish? The hobbyist must take the responsibility for this one. Not to mention the advice about tearing down the reef in order to catch the fish in order to return it to the LFS is not advisable for a plethora of reasons.

BTW I purchase a blue tang from Bioreef four months ago for a friends tank and it is healthy and has never shown signs of sickness.
 

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Sumo,

No sweat. Noone thought you were downing them :) Unfortunately, ick happens :rotflmao:

Make sure you feed the little guy alot. Mike at ocean reef has great success with the little blues by feeding them often. He said he fed them twice a day or more.
 

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Guys i'm not downing the quality of the product. I'm talking about the problem that they sold that fish to an owner of a 55. Tang+55 gallon fish tank? Size? But it's already been clarified it was only 1 1/2" long. Anyways sorry to stir things up. Just kinda wanted to get my point across.
 

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If they don't sell it someone else will. I have seen blue tangs kept successfully in 55 gallon for years. I am all for giving people good advice however if they choose not to take it then that is their choice. We are not talking puppies here, we are talking fish.
 

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My thoughts... I have been in two (2) different LFS's and heard the employer explain the "whys and why nots" and the customer decides to purchase the item anyway. I've also seen where a customer had gotten pissed off and stormed out of a store only to state "if you don't sell it to me, then ***** will".

All I can say is this ain't rocket science. Like any hobby, it requires a lot of "trial and error". You can research and discuss until you're blue in the face and still get ich or redbugs, etc...

We experienced ich and there will probably always be traces in the sandbed. You just treat and move on... :wavey:
 

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My thoughts... I have been in two (2) different LFS's and heard the employer explain the "whys and why nots" and the customer decides to purchase the item anyway. I've also seen where a customer had gotten pissed off and stormed out of a store only to state "if you don't sell it to me, then ***** will".
Ditto.
 
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