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Dosing Bacteria – is it necessary?

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Many times, I have seen this question being asked by reefers especially those who are new to the hobby. Well, if you were one of them, there is no need to be embarrassed - it is a most valid, if not the most important, question in this hobby. Why, because when it comes to reefing, BACTERIA IS EVERYTHING! My objective here is to help shed some light to this question.

I don't know if any of you out there has done scuba diving or snorkelling before, but I used to dive quite a bit when I was younger. Believe me, in all my dives, I have never once seen a skimmer, nor a de-nitrator, nor a phosphate reactor in the sea. Now, we all know that these are some of the most important equipments in our saltwater aquariums. Without them, water quality will deteriorate rapidly, resulting in livestock deaths. So without any of these equipments, how do corals and fishes stay alive in the sea? The answer - BACTERIA.

In the seas, bacteria exist naturally and they are responsible for keeping sea water in good condition for live-stocks of all sorts to survive. Good water quality means a low level of un-dissolved and dissolved organic matters but more importantly, the absence of toxic substances such as ammonia (NH3/NH4) and nitrite (NO2). Good water quality also means low levels of nitrate (NO3) and phosphate (PO4) for the abundance of these substances has detrimental effects on most living creatures in the reef.

Phosphate is mostly introduced through animal waste but they are also washed down from the land, into streams and rivers, and eventually into the seas. Phosphate pollution is much less measurable than nitrates and is easily removed by the large quantities of algae in the seas. Nitrate on the other hand, is removed through a sequence of chemical reactions where bacterium plays a key role. This sequence of chemical reactions is called 'The Nitrogen Cycle' (sorry, couldn't insert diagram). It explains how bacteria help to get rid of undesired chemicals.

fish & invertebrates excretion, algae decay => ammonia (NH3 & NH4)
=> nitrite (NO2) => nitrate (NO3)
=> nitrogen gas
=> nitrate taken up by algae => algae consume by fishes

Ammonia is inevitably introduced through animal secretion and decaying algae as well as other organic matters. A strain of bacteria, under the class commonly known as aerobic or nitrifying bacteria, feeds on ammonia and converts it into nitrite. A second strain of nitrifying bacteria then feeds on nitrite and converts it into harmless nitrate. Some of this nitrate will be absorbed by algae as nitrate is also food to plants. But unless there is a great abundance of algae, much of this nitrate will remain in the water. So this is where the second class of bacteria comes in. This class of bacteria is commonly known as anaerobic or de-nitrifying bacteria. Unlike aerobic bacteria, they live in oxygen-deprived environment such as deep sand beds and does the opposite of what aerobic bacteria do - it feeds on nitrate and convert nitrate into harmless nitrogen gas. Algae are in turn fed on by fishes and so the cycle repeats itself. It is a complete ecological system. No special equipment is required.

Therefore, in the absence of aerobic bacteria, fishes and invertebrates will surely die from ammonia and nitrite poisoning. And in the absence of anaerobic bacteria, nitrate pollution will be very high and fishes and invertebrates will live under great stress. Fishes will stop growing and invertebrates will refuse to extend their polyps and both will loose their coloration.

Dosing Bacteria

This is not a must but it will surely save you a lot of pain and money. Bacteria dosing is especially helpful when you are starting a new tank. If you are using marine salt mix, you should know that it does not contain bacteria. If you are using natural sea water, you can never know its quality for sure or how much of its original bacteria are still alive since bacteria fatality is very high during transportation and storage. But either way, you will have to wait for weeks and even months for the tank to mature (meaning, for enough bacteria to grow naturally to form a large enough bacteria culture). The alternative is to introduce the bacteria artificially through dosing commercially available bacteria products. By dosing bacteria, you can cut down the cycling time drastically to a matter of days. What's more, the risk of losing fishes and invertebrates can be greatly reduced, making the experience of starting a new tank a less painful one.

But after your tank has gone through the maturation period, is it still necessary to dose bacteria? Again, this is not a must but it will surely save you a lot of money and pain. The general misconception is that bacterium is all powerful and never dies. It is only natural for us to assume that since whenever we are sick from bacterial infection, bacteria don't seem to go away until we use antibiotics on them. This is however far from the truth - bacterium is in fact a very fragile life form. According to scientists, most bacteria do not survive for more than 15 minutes outside laboratory conditions. And each time water circulation in your aquarium system stops for 30 minutes, as much as one third of the bacteria population can be wiped out. Bacteria can also die from diseases, poisoning and the lack of suitable food. So while the bacteria in your aquarium system are multiplying, they may also be dying at the same time. So if a large proportion of the bacteria population gets wiped off for whatever reasons, toxic ammonia and nitrate will build up very rapidly resulting in massive life-stock deaths. It is therefore wise to dose bacteria on a regular basis. This is to ensure there is always a sizeable bacteria culture in your aquarium system to get rid of toxic ammonia and nitrite. Besides, bacteria also helps to keep your aquarium water clear by feeding on un-consumed food and livestock waste. You can never over-dose bacteria.

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Reefkeeping Online Magazine
August 2009
Volume 8, Issue 4

Paul Baldassano's Reef - 40 Years in the Making
A Different Technique

There is one more non-typical thing that I do that some may consider either risky or just useless. I mentioned above that I add bacteria from the sea to my tank. I feel bacteria are the most overlooked aspect of this hobby, and are vital to a healthy, long-lived tank. Bacteria cover everything in our tanks, but are they the correct bacteria for our purposes? Probably not. Bacteria enter our tanks in a number of various ways. Every time we put our hands into the water, we add bacteria. When we add fish, corals, rock or food, we add bacteria. The bacteria on the rocks and fish were at one time in the sea and "some" of those bacteria are the correct bacteria for our needs. But eventually, that bacteria will stop reproducing and will be outnumbered or outcompeted by other bacteria that may not be dangerous but do not necessarily help complete the nitrogen cycle. Why do so many people change so much water and still have nitrates? If we had the correct numbers and types of bacteria, we would never have to change water just to lower nitrates; the bacteria do that for us for free. I have found that by adding bacteria from the sea a few times a year, my reef stays healthy. I have no scientific data on this theory, but I do have a 40-year-old tank with an undergravel filter and no nitrates.

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Do you have to? No not at all. Do people. Yes, including me. your never going to get a truly perfect bacteria population......if you could it would be the answer to all of our problems. BUT, you can help get the right bacteria in your tank by adding live rock for the most part....Then you have prodibio and other bacteria products that will help aid your tank. I was watching a show on planet green last week about cracking the ocean code with Craig Venter. Well they took samples of 50 gallons of water every 200 miles all around the world and around coral reefs. The dude found MILLIONS of new bacteria. literally millions. and they all varied from different spots in the water. So whats in our water today will be completly different tomorrow. Theres no way to replicate that in our reef tanks.....just do what your doing.......and maybe add some prodibio or other product. You could use nsw.....but then you risk pathogens as well as bad bacteria.

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In the short answer, no, you don't need to dose bacteria it is totally unnecessary. Bacteria will only survive if there is enough food for them, their population numbers are directly dependent upon that.

I see a skimmer everytime I go to the ocean, it's called wave action. All that foam on the beach is skimmate. I also see a DSB, denitrator as well... the sand at the bottom and the rock that forms the reef. I also see natural nutrient collectors, algae and this is one reason why a large portion of the world's reefs are in danger, excess nutrients from run off. Even the great barrier reef is suffering from Crown of Thorns startfish due to high nutrient levels. Anyway... not going to make this into a huge debate thread, just stating facts, not opinions here :)
I agree with fat tony. Because the ocean does not have a human made skimmer, it has its own natural skimmer, the wave action. He is also on point for his other comments.
Is this thread still open? I just joined this forum a few minutes ago and am finding my name in a few places. I see part of my article from Reef Keepers online magazine was quoted.
Everything is still open. If you want to add a rebuttal, feel free. I have a few thoughts to add to this discussion but not while I sit in a meeting ;)
If you want to add a rebuttal, feel free.

I don't really want to add a rebuttal, I will just re-post what I said in my article.

"Why do so many people change so much water and still have nitrates? If we had the correct numbers and types of bacteria, we would never have to change water just to lower nitrates; the bacteria do that for us for free. I have found that by adding bacteria from the sea a few times a year, my reef stays healthy. I have no scientific data on this theory, but I do have a 40-year-old tank with an undergravel filter and no nitrates."
Nothing wrong with dosing bacteria, strains die out for certain reasons and having a diversity is good. Problem is with most bacteria you purchase you do not know what is in the bottle or if anything or even if it is alive,.


Like Fat tony said bacteria will only survive if their is food for them. In some reef tanks carbon can become the limiting factor and dosing carbon can help.


Do you have to dose bacteria ,,, NO

Does it cut a cycle down to days? heck no. Building up bacteria is not the only reason you cycle a tank though.
I don't really want to add a rebuttal, I will just re-post what I said in my article.

"Why do so many people change so much water and still have nitrates? If we had the correct numbers and types of bacteria, we would never have to change water just to lower nitrates; the bacteria do that for us for free. I have found that by adding bacteria from the sea a few times a year, my reef stays healthy. I have no scientific data on this theory, but I do have a 40-year-old tank with an undergravel filter and no nitrates."
I think that part of the issue here is balance and scale as well. I think those people who are doing large w/c to maintain nitrate levels have MUCH higher biomass/gallon ration than tanks that rarely read nitrates w/o a waterchange. I think all of us run a higher biomass/water ratio than the ocean. We also do not have all the components of the natural nutreint systems such as upwells of deep ocean nutrients, plankton blooms, seafloor plate subduction, etc, etc. etc.
I have been dosing MB7 and feeding it vodka!
I have been dosing MB7 and feeding it vodka!
I dose Vodka to myself and add bacteria to the tank.

Of course added bacteria is not needed, but, it may be needed if you keep the tank long enough.
Many tanks crash in 10 or 12 years, adding bacteria "may" make the tank last longer.
Remember a few years ago they did a test called "Biosphere" where they added plants, fish, animals and insects to make a complete, closed ecosystem?
It failed because eventually all of the insects were taken over by a dominant species which were not too good at polinating plants or doing other beneficial things insects do. The dominent species were ants.
I feel that in time the same thing happens in our tanks, without the ants of course.
There are many different types of bacteria and eventually, a dominant type will prevail. That type may be useless at converting nitrate.
Just my opinion
In short, I've known a lot of reefers who have kept very nice tanks without ever using any bacteria products. Just the bacteria that currently lived in their rocks. So in answer to your innitial question "is it necessary" I would say no. However, whether or not it would benefit the tank at all I cannot say. I have no experiance with it myself.
I also don't know if it definately works, but next year my reef will be forty years old and I have almost no nitrates and I change very little water. It could be due to something else or it could be partially due to the bacteria. I have no way of knowing.
I also run a reverse UG filter which probably does not reduce nitrates 100%
I useto have a rev. undergrave tank and never had a problem with it.
I also don't know if it definately works, but next year my reef will be forty years old and I have almost no nitrates and I change very little water. It could be due to something else or it could be partially due to the bacteria. I have no way of knowing.
I also run a reverse UG filter which probably does not reduce nitrates 100%
I know for a fack 100% that it works..My nitrates were well over 100 and now in 3 months they are very close to -0-!
Im sold on it!
Thats promising. I just go to a muddy beach on Long Island, collect a handful of mud and stick it in my tank in a container. After a few days I remove the mud.
Thats promising. I just go to a muddy beach on Long Island, collect a handful of mud and stick it in my tank in a container. After a few days I remove the mud.
Seriously? I'd be way to worried about what else could be in that mud.
My tank has improved greatly since I started dosing bacteria.
Seriously? I'd be way to worried about what else could be in that mud.
The tank will be 40 years old next year and I have been doing this along with using NSW for almost all of those years. The tank was started with Long Island Sound water. Some of the fish are 14 or 15 years old such as this fireclown, and some have lived to almost 20.
Many of them are spawning and even with this practice, I have not seen a paracite in about 25 or 30 years.

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Welcome aboard Paul!:wavey:

In the short answer, no, you don't need to dose bacteria it is totally unnecessary. Bacteria will only survive if there is enough food for them, their population numbers are directly dependent upon that.
I totally agree. IMHO. Not only are their numbers influenced by the availability of food, but the strains of microbes in a system will be determined by the environmental conditions of that particular system. Even after the initial cycle is over, most of us don't consider a system to be mature and stable for another 6 months to a year. This is due, in part, to the yoyoing microbial populations and the battle for dominance among the different strains. Eventually, those microbes that are best suited to the environmental conditions within a particular system will become dominant, and the others will see their numbers greatly reduced, or completely wiped out. Survival of the fittest. Once the microbes that are the most efficient at survival within the system become the dominant strains, the system becomes very stable. Throwing foreign microbes into a well established system, doesn't make it stronger. It temporarily reduces the number of efficient microbes, and starts the whole battle for dominance all over again, disrupting the stability of the whole system. Diversity is not always a good thing. Throwing African lions into the wilderness of Yellowstone would increase the diversity, but would upset the balance of nature. At least until the first winter when the lions died off and the established creatures began the long recovery process. This, IMHO, is what happens when you add an unknown bacteria culture to a healthy, well established system. Just let the wolfs do their job and the deer, and caribou herds will remains strong and healthy. Don't throw lions in there to kill the wolfs, steal their food, and disrupt the whole system.

Again, this is just my opinion. I'm not aware of any scientific study done on this particular subject.

not going to make this into a huge debate thread, just stating facts, not opinions here :)
Owww come on Tony..... How much fun would that be?:funny: There's nothing wrong with a good old fashioned debate.:D
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