[Awestralian]

Well, what say you?

Consider:- http://www.cotrout.org/do_fish_feel_pain.htm

and:- http://www.liv.ac.uk/pro/news/trouttrauma.htm

 

[Awestralian]

I say pain is a basic survival instinct.
No body likes it - well some nutters do! - but its necessary to our survival to feel pain and make us not want to ever do whatever brought the pain on again.

I dont care how 'undeveloped' a fishes brain is, the fact remains they have a brain, and as pointed out, they have nerves, so they must feel pain at some level, even if it may not be at the same intense level that we feel it.

 

[Awestralian]

I think it's reasonable for carnivores and omnivores to kill for food without guilt (or simply to hunt to retain the skills and utilize them, for that matter). Come to that, (since plants apparently feel pain) we can't avoid causing pain in order to survive.
I glossed the articles, but the authors seemed to be talking about emotional pain rather than nerve endings firing off type of pain. Did anyone else get that idea?

I thought that to a degree as well about the first article.

Just so we are clear, i am talking pure physical -ow that hurt like hell - better not do that again - pain, not emotional - i feel guilty for eating that snail but i was so hungry - pain.

The first is necessary for survival, the second is not.

 

[Awestralian]

They are damsels you know.

You take that back right now buddy!!




:funny:

 

[Awestralian]

Dont be so harsh on clowns, or ill post mine over to take a chunk out of you!
:funny:

 

[Awestralian]

Says he with a chopped up nemo for an avatar!!

 

[Awestralian]

Why isnt that in my tank?
Whats going on here??

 

[Awestralian]

Ahhh but see the argument isnt are fish smart, its do fish feel pain!?