ok, that is what i thought you guys would say, but i wanted to keep some sort of crab, shrimp,etc. I have had 2 cleaner shrimp, & they both bit the dust-1 pepper. shrimp that just disappeared-what do you suggest? is there any kind of invert. that is ok?
crabs are pretty opportunistic. so any of them you run the risk of them nabbing something as it goes by. the safer of the bunch seems to be the sally lightfoots. they tend to pick at the rocks much more than go after passing dinner. this is not to say that some do turn aggressive when they get big, but generally they seemed fairly well behaved, as far as crabs go.
Arrow crabs, camel shrimp, choclate chip stars and a few other neat things like that but arent safe might be kinda kewl in like a 29 non reef invert tank.
Actually I have come to the point I grit my teeth when using the term reef safe, since its all food on the reef the term reef friendly would prolly be more accurate. The trick when keeping a captive environment like this you have to compromise between animal and organisms with attraction vs organisms that benefit the environment, but are not as attractive or May prey on desirable animals
This is the problem I have...one of the neatest parts of marine stuff are the inverts, and many of them are turning into a pain to keep (cleaners), or are not safe for the micro-critters. The other thing about shrimp (at least in my tank) is they NEVER come out, they are always under a rock or something. It's like, what's the point?!? Assuming you have a big enough tank, urchins are somewhat neat to watch.
my pep is always hiding. but he does come out at feeding time!!
and the instant the lights go out, he comes out and does his shrimp shimmy around the tank, till lights on. thinking of adding a few more.
my emerald was great, but he did go on a killing rampage and devoured the porcelain crab.
i'm thinking of using my 20l refugium in the new stand, as an invert tank. since it's too short for seahorses. i'll just use it for calurpa and other harvestable algaes, and then throw in some inverts that can live well together. just something to make that tank interesting to look at, and see the life in it
That is kinda what I did with my 20 l. I have a fist sized hermit, one about 3/4 as large, one scarlet hermit that is the size of quarter or so. Two Hairy Hitchiker crabs that came from a fellow reefers tank, 1 Black Hitchiiker crab that seemed to go after sps. This is in a tank with 2 Green spotted Puffers, and one figure eight puffer and a new resident, an evil domino damsel that got himself captured. All of the hermits started out small but as they grew into bigger and bigger shells, they started knocking over rock work and/or in the case of the scarlet, he decided he liked snails way more than I did. It started as just a dwarf puffer tank with live rock about 2 years ago, however the critters tend to add up I guess. I figure if the puffers leave the crabs alone, let em live.
Well all they do is cruise around and munch on algae mostly. What size tank do you have? The biggest "complaint" about urchins are that they eat coralline algae, but I could care less about that. There is a big debate if they perhaps promote coralline growth. Be sure you get an appropriate type, as I believe such species and Pencil urchins are not good (I think they eat more than just algae). The urchin of choice, it seems, for most reef keepers is the royal or tuxedo urchin. Very pretty blue, and seems to be more careful when it comes to running things over. They run about $10-15 at LFS.
Well they dont HAVE to have coralline, mine controls more the green film algae on the glass (I could probably use 2). Again if you are really attached to your coralline, you may be upset at what the urchin does to it.
What you are thinking of probably are sea cucumbers, some of which can be bad if they die in the tank (I have never owned one for this reason). The worst you get out of urchins (most) are empty shells and maybe a few loose corals knocked over.