lol sorry tony sometimes when i get carried away i forget about that stuff. lol and jenglish thanks for the input about the ecosystem method, thats good to know because i dont really have anyone to talk to personally with any experience in saltwater (only LFS left in town is HORRIBLE and its bad enough i have to go in there to buy my water

so all info im getting is from various sources online and sometimes those cant always be trusted. but yeah i think i am going to go with the HOB (filter or skimmer whichever is cheaper) for now and then switch over to a sump when i can get all the necessary parts for it. that way i can go ahead and set it up quicker with my limited budget