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Old 03-23-2006, 08:48 AM   #1
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Help with a 2 month old 12 gallon tank with sick Tang


Hello, I am very new to the saltwater world. I have a 12 gallon reef tank with about 13lbs. of Live Rock a red banded shrimp, one turbo snail, and two crabs, and one Yellow Tang. My Tang has developed two white stripes down each side of his body. Is this a sign of a baterical infection? If so I have purchased Rally's Reef Safe and have used it for 3 days, but until today the stripes were not here. I also had a Clown expire on Monday after develpoing a white cotton like growth on his bottom lip. What am I doning wrong? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:04 PM   #2
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Welcome to TRT!!! The Tank sounds nice. Tangs love to swim and swim all they call. Most of the time tangs need to be in a 75gal tank. Your fish have ich. They can get ich when stress is high in the tank. The only way to help the tang is try to put him in a larger tank. The clown can stay. Do you test your water if so how does it test out? Again welcome to TRT we all love to help so let us know how your water tests out. Any more Q's just ask.

So info on tangs:
http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_...cfm?pCatId=392
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:12 PM   #3
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Welcome to TRT!!! The Tank sounds nice. Tangs love to swim and swim all they call. Most of the time tangs need to be in a 75gal tank. Your fish have ich. They can get ich when stress is high in the tank. The only way to help the tang is try to put him in a larger tank. The clown can stay. Do you test your water if so how does it test out? Again welcome to TRT we all love to help so let us know how your water tests out. Any more Q's just ask.

So info on tangs:
http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_...cfm?pCatId=392
Partially agreed; a single yellow tang, if it's the only fish in the tank, may be able to squeak by in a 55 gallon, but as a rule tangs should have 75 or more.
Just because you buy them little doesn't mean they stay that way.

As for the stripes, I don't think that sounds like ich at all. Ich is usually spots. It sounds more like head & lateral line disease (HLLE). The exact causes of HLLE seem to be up in the air, but most of the time it has to do with a combination of poor water quality (in this case, almost a given, as the tank is way, way too small to support the bioload that's in it) and poor nutrition.

What are you feeding your tang?
Tangs, even though they can and do learn to take flakes and pellets, are herbivores and do best if their diet contains a lot of fresh or dehydrated seaweed. Before our large tank crashed (fie on stray electrical current!), the scopas we had always had a steady supply of red seaweed, brown seaweed, green seaweed and dulse; one of the LFS here carries live marine plants that are usually intended for refugium use, but we'd buy chunks of live fresh plants to anchor to the rocks for the tang to graze on as well.
If you don't have a local source, there are some places on eBay that sell live macroalgae (and things other than chaeto, which most tangs won't touch) at pretty good prices.

However, the root of the problem here is that the fish is in conditions that are wholly inappropriate and cannot be made to work no matter what.

Cella, it would be best, if you can't upgrade your tank to 55 gallons or more, to return the tang to the store and stick with fish more appropriate to a nano. There are a lot of very colorful, pretty, active fish that can thrive in nano tanks, but unfortunately tangs aren't one of them.
Your fish will die if you keep him; you may be able to 'prop him up' so to speak for awhile with treatments and a varied diet, but it will all come back to the fact that your tank is just plain too small to support that particular animal. Keeping a tang in a 12 gallon nano would be sort of like trying to keep a dolphin in a backyard swimming pool.

Don't feel too bad about it; everyone makes mistakes, especially when they're starting out.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/s...fm?pCatId=2124 has a pretty good list of different fish that do well in nano tanks.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:38 PM   #4
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Welcome to TRT ! Sorry to hear about your troubles But I do have to agree that the tang sounds stressed being in such a small environment.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:56 PM   #5
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I am currently feeding him flake and pellets and supplement it with see veggies, which is basically dried seaweed or algae that softens as it get wet. The Tang attacks it when I put it in the tank. I am so upset that the folks at the Aquarium store did not tell me about the gallon capacity of the Tang. They knew I had a 12 gallon tank. Thank you all for your help, I don't have a bigger tank so I am going to have to figure out something to do with my Tang.
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Old 03-23-2006, 01:06 PM   #6
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A yellow tank simply will not survive in a 12g tank. It's like you trying to swim laps in a 200g.
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Old 03-23-2006, 01:17 PM   #7
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I am currently feeding him flake and pellets and supplement it with see veggies, which is basically dried seaweed or algae that softens as it get wet. The Tang attacks it when I put it in the tank. I am so upset that the folks at the Aquarium store did not tell me about the gallon capacity of the Tang. They knew I had a 12 gallon tank. Thank you all for your help, I don't have a bigger tank so I am going to have to figure out something to do with my Tang.
Everyone learns that lesson about fish stores sooner or later.
The sad truth is that the majority don't care about the animals that they sell; they view them as stock and nothing more, and all they want is to make the sale.
Many times it's also that the employees are really more minimum wage paid retail people as opposed to people who work there because they genuinely care about and like animals.
This, obviously, isn't true for everyone who works in pet stores, but a lot of times (especially at large chain stores), the 'experts' they have are only there because it's a job with a paycheck.

They're sales people, for the most part, and are in the business of making money. Many pet stores also rely on the ignorance of new owners or on imuplse buyers to make sales and they don't care about anything else but making the sale and bringing in the money.

Since prices are generally marked up quite a bit on most products, and since a LOT of new owners don't bother to ask and just assume it's 'normal' for fish to be short lived, they don't lose money if they have to restock fish constantly because those people (the ignorant ones and the impulse buyers) will always be back to buy more and more and more.

Impulse buyers can be tricky to stop, but ignorance can be fixed by owners reading up, researching and asking before they make their purchases or asking when they have an issue and being educated then.

It sucks that you had to learn about it after losing one fish and having another one get sick, but on the plus side, you won't make the same mistakes again and you'll know to research before you buy and take what pet shop staff tell you with a big grain of salt.

And, once again, before anyone gets upset, I know that not all pet stores and pet store staff are like this but the fact is that a good chunk of them are. :\

Cella, if you're looking for some good books on saltwater fish keeping, here are a few decent ones:

Saltwater Aquariums for Dummies (don't be put off by the title, it really is a good book).
Marine Reef Aquarium Handbook (if you want to go for a nano reef instead of fish only)
The Simple Guide to Mini-Reef Aquariums
Reef Secrets: Starting Right, Selecting Fishes & Invertebrates, Advanced Biotope Techniques


For the time being, I wouldn't add any other fish to your tank until you've done a little more research on what can be done with what you have; nanos can be gorgeous little tanks, but as you've said, you're very new to the hobby. Take some time to read up on the topic so when you do add fish again, you can make informed decisions and not have to rely on what the pet store tells you (as you've seen, they tend not to know best. :\ ).

Believe me, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches and money if you take the time to read up on keeping a nano tank before adding any more fish.
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Old 03-23-2006, 01:17 PM   #8
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Sorry for you and I'm sorry for the tang for you putting him in that small tank!
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Not sure whether you have a disease or not. A picture would help. Yellow tangs have a natural white line down each side .. more pronounced on some than others. S/B plenty of pics of yellow tangs on-line

Your tank is too small for any tang .. best bet is to try and return/trade for another fish.
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:03 PM   #10
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Thanks again everyone for your input on my dilemma. Here is a picture of my tank and the infamous Tang, which throughout the day the stripes have disappeared. He is eating and active. I noticed that some of you gave me great links for fish and such, any suggestions on good coral and other inverts sites that would work well in my tank? As you can see I don't have anything in there yet. Alos I tested the water and everything is where it should be.
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What Kind of Lighting do you have?
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:49 PM   #12
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Seconded on the light question.
Corals and anemones tend to have rather specific light requirements, and for many species nothing less than metal halide or VHO fluorescent lighting (daylight and actinic) will cut it.
With lesser lighting, the animals will slowly die.

Honestly, I don't think you should be thinking about corals at this point; many are quite difficult to keep even for experienced keepers, and making mistakes with coral can be even more expensive than making mistakes with fish.
Some easier to keep ones are mushrooms and some of the xenias, but even those require good, high level lighting.


For now, keep reading up, try to find a place to rehome your tang (because, just to reiterate, there is no way he can live a non-stressed, long, healty life in a 12 gallon tank. It's a physical impossibility), and start slow. Starting with a couple of small nano appropriate fish and a turbo snail or two and letting that go for awhile while you get used to all that's involved in keeping the tank stable and continue learning about the care required for more delicate creatures.
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Actually I have found that some corals are easier than fish in my 25g since they place less of a bioload on the tank some easy corals are Green Star polyps and mushrooms Xenia has done well in my tank as well as a variety of leathers. It is all very Dependant on the lighting and filtration of your tank though
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Old 03-23-2006, 11:07 PM   #14
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The tank I have is the Eclipse 12 gallon and the lighting is Compact, energy-efficient Fluorescent Lamp,5000K 13W. I know I do not have enough light for anemones, and big coral. I have natural baby polyps growing on my live rock right now and so kind of tube that sprouts during the night while I have the light off and then retracts when I turn the light on in the morning.
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Old 03-23-2006, 11:08 PM   #15
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Also why am I called or named a squid?
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