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Old 10-14-2005, 03:25 AM   #1
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Help on deciding Nano or Eclipse


Ok. I am a fresh water aquarists (fancy goldfish), and I am interested in buying a 12g or 20g nanocube or eclipse system. I do not like buying a big marine aquarium because the filter and skimmer cost too much money. As of right now the cheapest 24 nano cube I can find is $250. However, I can get a 30g Eclipse system and aquarium for $150 or less. I personally like the Nano cube because the glass is one piece which means that it suppose to be leak resistant. But the price difference is a lot ($100). I am a college student here (lol). My question is which one should I get?. If you think the $100 price difference is worth it, please tell me why. The pet store owner's told me that, I can put in any marine fish the next day because his life sand is cured and it's in his aquarium. His life rock is the same thing too. My question is " is that true or not?" I like mandarin goby because they look awesome, so if I get any of these aquarium I will probably fill it with multiple mandarin goby. However, is it really hard to keep mandarin goby. Mandarin Goby is the main reason why I want to get a salt water aquarium heheheh. So feel free to give me any comment on these aquarium types and taking care of mandarin goby. I will probably spend about $350 and up to get the nano cube started, so please give me a very detailed advice. The pet store owner is selling his "cured" life sand for $3/lb, Mandarin Goby for $15, 79c/g of water. Tell me if his prices are too expensive. Thank You for your time and effort. Have a pleasant day.
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Old 10-14-2005, 06:28 AM   #2
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Sadly, you cannot easily raise mandarin's in a small tank. They generally only eat live food, which populations are supported only by a large tank (>100 gallon). There are cases of mandarins eating processed food but these are very rare individuals. If you try, study extensively and get only fish that you have personally observed eating something other than live copepods and amphipods.

I think mandarins are some of the most beautiful and animated fish in the sea, but due to their being common in certain areas of the ocean, particularly the Philippines, and easy to catch, they are very commonly seen in pet stores, most of whom are destined to die of starvation.
As for your other questions, I have no experience with the two tanks you describe, but I would not listen any further to the advice of a salesman who says you can put fish in a tank on the second day, live or not.
As A. Calfo once said, "Beware the advice of a man with dollar signs in his eyes"
Set the tank up with rock, sand and water then monitor the water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate for several weeks yo a month, until the ammonia and nitrite are at 0 levels in your tank, then it is safe to slowly add livstock. The longer you wait, the better it will be for the livestock when you do put it in. A marine aquarium is not the same as freshwater, you must be much more patient with it.
The prices you quote seem about right, depending on where you are. If you are in Asia, they are way too high, California about right.
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Old 10-14-2005, 06:46 AM   #3
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Welcome to TRT Good advice yardboy gave ya,you are picking a hard fish to keep
I would suggest something different in a tank that small and dont listen to the petstore hes after your $$$
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:47 AM   #4
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I like the Nano cube. I paid 250 for mine. I don't know anything about the Eclipse. I purchased fully cured live sand and rock from my LFS and still had wait about 2-3 weeks for the ammonia - nitirites -nitrates to rise and fall.
Check out Clown gobys instead of the mandarin They come in very cool colors like yellow w/electric blue or green with pink stripes and they stay small.
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:46 AM   #5
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I guess I can kiss my mandarin goodbye since all of you said that mandarin gobby cannot survive in a 24 gallon nano cube. Since I cannot put my mandarin goby in my 24 gallon tank, I think I will not buy the nano cube. May be I will find some other fish that interest me. Anyway, should I buy the 12 gallon or 24 gallon? 24 is goin for 250 and 12g for 150. Tell me which one is worth the money. If you think I can keep my mandarin goby in any of the 12g or 24g pls tell me how. Thank You.
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