24 watts, who likes it?

tabwyo · 08-22-2004, 08:50 PM

I am considering a 12g nano cube. It comes with 24w of PC light. Since my move has nearly broke me, I was kinda hopin to make do with it as a low light to moderate light tank. To this point in the hobby I have only concerned myself high light neady creatures and have had no experience with low light tolerant critters. Any suggestions?

Reefer4life!! · 09-01-2004, 04:53 PM

The 24 watts is enough light, for some corals. Mushrooms, Zoos and others, for more info go to www.jbjlighting.com. Besides lowlight is cheaper and good enough for your budget.

dhoffroad · 09-01-2004, 07:16 PM

zoos, shrooms, rics, some softys should do ok with that lighting. if you have had higher light tanks then this should be prety easy for you the low light corals seem to be a little more hardy .

iamdickie · 09-03-2004, 09:33 AM

I have all of this in the nano, with great health on everything, the rasta leather is growing slow, but is growing, so i dont see any problems with anything this list

1 marron clown baby
1 neon goby
1 rose anemone

Frags:
large bright green zoos
bright orange and yellow zoas
star polyps
yellow polyps
1 green colt coral
1 colt coral
1 furry colt coral
1 toldstool mushroom
1 green mushroom
1 red mushroom
1 ricordia, blue/green
2 xenia
2 kenya tree
1 rasta leather
1 white finger leather

Dingo · 09-07-2004, 03:14 PM

I would omit the anemone. IMO, 24W of PC will not support it, and it will dwindle over a period of months. Along the way, it will probably move around and sting other inhabitants of your tank.

iamdickie · 09-07-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dingo

I would omit the anemone. IMO, 24W of PC will not support it, and it will dwindle over a period of months. Along the way, it will probably move around and sting other inhabitants of your tank.

well you are incorrect, it hasnt moved, and that is pleanty of light. To stop him from wantering i made him a 2 inch deep crevease to put his foot in, and as i thought, he is extremely happy with this postion at the top of the tank.

if you had an anemone in 2 inchs of water, or just 1 gallon of water, that would be 24 watts of light per gallon. the watt per gallon isnt meant to be a law, it is a general rule of thumb, or a guideline. anemones will move to the amount of light they like. as far as stinging other corals, i know someone that has 12 rose anemones in his 180 gallon that is packed to the brim with sps, lps and softies. he hasnt had any problems with this at all. the same for my tank, it isnt stinking anything at all. everything i have posted is fact, not IMO.

you should do a little more research on this topic before posting what you think instead of what you know

here is a great article on wetwebmedia.com to start you out on:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/in...ipanemones.htm

Dingo · 09-08-2004, 07:46 AM

Actually, I've done plenty of research, which is why I know the correct answer. 24W of PC in a 12 gallon is very dim. 24W of PC in a 1 gallon is very dim, also. It is insufficient light to maintain an anemone long term. Also, they will tend to wander around and sting anything in their path looking for what they need. Anemones are high light animals, and I wouldn't get one with less than a 96W PC fixture over that 12 gallon tank. Even then, it would be iffy, and you still have the risk of stinging.

According to your posts, your cube has been set up since August 25. About 3 weeks. It takes months for an anemone to wither away and die, so it's a little early yet to claim success. I know that you will want to argue with me, but I'm just trying to keep him from wasting his money.

Best of luck.

iamdickie · 09-08-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dingo

Anemones are high light animals, and I wouldn't get one with less than a 96W PC fixture over that 12 gallon tank.

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That is flat out over kill 96 watts of lighting 12 g ( really only 10 gallons, and 7.5 after rock and sand displacement) on a nano? bubble anemones are no where near clams or sps, and that setup would be overkill for clams too. that is 4x the amount of light you would need to keep anemones? with that much light that poor tank would be boiling hot.

Dingo · 09-08-2004, 09:06 AM

I would google "nano reef" and check out some of the systems that you find. 96W fixtures over 10 gallon tanks are some of the most popular setups. Many people use DIY 150W MH setups. You don't need that kind of light to keep shrooms, zoos, or most leathers. But you do if you want an anemone or many SPS corals.

Temperature is not an issue if you put the fixture on legs or add a little fan.

I don't really know where you are getting your 4X light needed for anemones figure. Maybe you are stuck on the watts per gallon thing. Watts per gallon is an invalid measurement for light intensity. The efficiency of conversion of electricity to light varies wildly based upon a multitude of factors, from the materials used in the bulb to the reflector behind the bulb. A 96 watt bulb does not produce the same amount of light as 4 24 watt bulbs. It may be more or less. However, a 24 watt bulb just plain doesn't produce very much light compared to the sunlight that these animals need in nature. Take your light into your front yard during the day and turn it on, and you will see what I mean.

Take one 5 inch 24 watt bulb and spread that 24 watts of light over the two square feet of tank surface, then decrease the intensity by the square of the distance from the bulb, then decrease it again for any light blocking junk in the water, and by the time you go down 4 inches in the water, there are very few photons per square inch for an animal to use.

iamdickie · 09-08-2004, 09:30 AM

FACT: Bubble Anemones DO NOT require near the light that sps coral do.

This post wasnt about 10 gallons with hidious hoods, this was about the 12 gallon jbj nano cube. Check out nano-reef.com tons of people are keeping anomenes with JUST this lighting that it comes with... i have a friend that has a rose as well and they his is doing great too. i have keep anemones before in a 75 gallon reef ready with 2 175 watt MH and 4 Ho florecent sticks, and the one in the nano is doing better than that over kill lighting setup.

Some people feel that they have to upgrade everything to way too much light, and it sounds like you are one of them. the fact is that Bright light is appreciated but strong light is not essential. These lights are plenty bright, and if you build the anemone a Bommie, it will not wander.

Dingo · 09-08-2004, 09:35 AM

*Sigh* Go to NR and post that you want to keep a BTA under 24W PC in a 12 gallon tank and you will get flamed from here to hell and back again. You will also get a large consensus that you are going to kill the anemone and everything else in the tank when it dies. And you will get one guy like you who has had his for a month who will say go for it.

Whatever. Have a nice day.

iamdickie · 09-08-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by rhs
I have an RBTA in a NanoCube that has been doing great for 3 months now. I have 2 clowns but they haven't gone near the anemone yet.
I have noticed the RBTA is growing too.
I started the tank for the same reason and couldn't be happier.
Good luck.

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/show...o+cube+anemone

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/show...o+cube+anemone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo

*Sigh* Go to NR and post that you want to keep a BTA under 24W PC in a 12 gallon tank and you will get flamed from here to hell and back again. You will also get a large consensus that you are going to kill the anemone and everything else in the tank when it dies. And you will get one guy like you who has had his for a month who will say go for it.

Whatever. Have a nice day.

dhoffroad · 09-08-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by iamdickie

That is flat out over kill 96 watts of lighting 12 g ( really only 10 gallons, and 7.5 after rock and sand displacement) on a nano? bubble anemones are no where near clams or sps, and that setup would be overkill for clams too. that is 4x the amount of light you would need to keep anemones? with that much light that poor tank would be boiling hot.

Man my 10 gal is boiling at 80 deg with 96w (LOL)

dhoffroad · 09-08-2004, 04:35 PM

the hottest my tank EVER gets is 82 but a little clip on fan and back down to 78

manderson0805 · 09-08-2004, 10:02 PM

Dickie, I'd stop arguing with people that probably have years more experience in the hobby than you do. People are here to share info with others, not shoot them down and ridicule them. Also, if 2 175w MH on a 75 is overkill, what would my tank be with 500w of MH, and 288w of PC on a 46 bow?