Preliminary Sump design

[Staplesofficewar]

Here is what I got....A picture is worth 1000 words.
1000 gph return
1.5" lines
20 gallon long and smaller tank to put return pump to help with noise.
two tanks attacked with bulkheads and pvc pipe.

not shown are the bubble baffles and the skimmer.

How will this setup be noise wise? since that is my biggest concern.

Once again, thanks in advance!

-Jared

[Geoff]

looks good, but a couple of questions. why is the bulkhead for the overflows so low down on the glass? if you raise them up, then you can just make the dursa into an overflow and not need the box in the tank at all. why 1.5" plumbing on the overflows. that is a load of water flow in a sump. generally not a good idea. more noise than necessary. it would make more sense to make one of those a CLS drain and drill some holes for the outlets.

putting the pump in a seperate tank will not help the noise any. i would just get a quiet pump like a Velocity, if you want quiet. it is an external pump, hence the quietness.

G~

[Staplesofficewar]

hmmm...If I use the Dursa as an overflow, will i have issues with fish, etc getting pulled into the tank?
I put the blkheads down so low so that any ( most) of the water noise generated from water falling into the pipes happens inside the tank and the water surrounding the plumbing will help as an insulator.
I have had alot of my "stuff" a little over a year now and I am trying different methods to make this thing nice and quiet. I have a Quiet one pump already that can pump 1330 gph w/ 0' of head. I beleive this to be about 950-100 gph with all the head. I also have a mag 9 that I have decided is noisier then the Quiet one. I built a jig that supports the quiet one onto a piece of plexi glass. Under that sheet of plexi and attached to the plexi are 6 small suction cups. Those, are stuck to another sheet of plexi that has 4 large suction cups on the bottom on that. I placed this assembly into the sump and of course it stuck to the bottom. I attached the return line pvc from the pump to the tanks return line pvc with some flexible tubeing. THis helped alot with all the noise and vibration I can hear/feel. I tried last week to move the quiet one to the outside of the tank and placed a pad under the pump. Still had a lot of vibration through the rigid pvc into the tank into the stand and into everything else around the stand. That is the reason for the extra tank in the sump. So I can use my jigg and make that part of it quiet.
I have an external overflow with 2 1" U-tubes. No matter what I tried, I could not get the overflow to be quiet AND keep up with the sump pump. I always had to restrict the pump a good bit and thats not what I want to do.
My goal is a free running sump pump and an overflow system that will handle a range of flow rates and still remain quiet.

Now what can i do with my MAG 9?

-Jared

[Geoff]

if noise is of utmost concern. i would just get rid of the pumps you have and get Velocities. these honestly are dead quiet. i have 4 of them. i have found that it would have been cheaper if i had gotten these from the beginning.

the less amount of flow you get through an overflow the better. as noise is concerned. i would not put any more flow through a sump than what your skimmer can process. usually about 400gph. this amount of flow is easy to keep quiet. the rest of the flow should be done using a CLS. i have a wife that does not like water noise either, so i have worked hard at quieting my system as much as possible. there is also the fact that our big tank is in the same room as our home theatre.

G~

[RobinsonFam1]

Or you could set it up like mine, plumb it to the basement!

putting the bulkheads at the bottom for noise redustion will not make any difference i wouldnt imagine. the durso is what controls the noise anyways. I am setting up my tank like another reefer buddy's tank. he has 10,000 GPH with dursos and they are dead silent.
My only concern with my tank going to the basement that the velocity of water will build and suck too much air...might make a de-gurgler.???

i second the velocity as being the quietest pump out there!!!

BR

[Staplesofficewar]

sweet, so I can have a silent tank @ 1000 gph through the durso. I am not sure I like the idea of a closed loop. How do you keep fish from getting sucked in? That goes for the durso as well....how can this be done without an overflow? Should I connect the two air valve from the durso into one air valve to set them at the same time or will this just cause problems?

thanks!
Ps...any one wanna sell me a Velocity Titanium for less then what they cost retail!?

[RobinsonFam1]

velocities are a diamond in the rough. keep an eye on all the different forums and jump as soon as you see one. you will prolly want the t-4 model to get 1000 GPH.

Geoff: can you confirm the size/model?

you cab fit a piece of eggcrate into the opening of the durso. or you could build a small overflow box to protect the intake which will actutally help with surface skimming in a major way.
also, you could turn the elbow that would normally point down: turn it up to skimm the surface of the water.
do some searches in this forum along with RC to get some ideas to help surface skimming.

BR

[Geoff]

Originally Posted by RobinsonFam1

velocities are a diamond in the rough. keep an eye on all the different forums and jump as soon as you see one. you will prolly want the t-4 model to get 1000 GPH.

Geoff: can you confirm the size/model?

BR

i really like the T3's. they can handle ridiculous head pressure, 28'. so it really does not matter where the pump is you will get good flow out of it. you do not have to worry about having to many elbows decreasing the flow. it is also powerfull enough to power an eductor if you really want to have some fun. i do not like the T4's because they use barb fittings. just an annoyance more than anything else, but enough for me to pick the T3 everytime.

G~