Need help with some plans - Page 4

DevilBoy · 08-05-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by three90s&125sump

OH OH OH Don't glue anything untill after you know it will work right. Do a dry run on the entire thing. Then go back and glue it all.

ok i wasnt gonna glue it anyways.

DevilBoy · 08-05-2006, 09:50 PM

well 3 90's and everyone else. i will start my progress pics now. This is as far as i got on the closed loop so far. I can not go any further, i forgot some things of course.

3 90's i didnt get any 1 1/4" 90 degree elbows. and for some lame reason i only got (1) 1 1/4" to 3/4" reducing bushing.

. now remember this is not glued together so if you something wrong let me know now and i can fix it.

the reason i dont have it going to the edge of the left hand side of the tank is i have my corner overflow in the left corner. I actually just may go with (1) on the right hand side and (2) on the left. the 3/4" pipes coming down from the top of the tank i will be cutting at different lengths also so the flow will not all be the same depth in the tank.

Here ya guys go!!!!!

im sorry about the mess, but i guess that happens when you are building something.
and i did not start plumbing the return intake yet, since i have no idea even how to start that process

three90s&125sump · 08-05-2006, 11:49 PM

That definatly looks good.

One thing tho for athstetics is just have the returns come to the top of the water. Then you can put a 45 degree elbow on it with a 3/4 threaded end and you can plug your loc-line into it there. That way you will have less PVC in the tank to look at. The black loc-line will be difficult to see and very adjustable for flow paterns.

The intake Hmmm, you'll need another 1 1/4 T and 90 degree elbow.just run it up to the top of the tank and put the T on it one going up and the other going into the tank then run it into the tank and down with the 90 then plug your intake skreen peice into it. Oh you'll need a cap for the end. run a 6 inch peice going up with a union (buy another union) then a small peice of PVC with a cap on it (so buy 2-1 1/4" caps).

Well thats about as clear as mud.

DevilBoy · 08-06-2006, 12:46 AM

90's,

If you look at the last "T" 's on the right and left side, can i just put a cap on them also instead of a 90 degree elbow?

One thing tho for athstetics is just have the returns come to the top of the water. Then you can put a 45 degree elbow on it with a 3/4 threaded end and you can plug your loc-line into it there. That way you will have less PVC in the tank to look at. The black loc-line will be difficult to see and very adjustable for flow paterns

??? i definitely dont understand this paragraph. sorry im really dumb at this stuff

three90s&125sump · 08-06-2006, 04:43 AM

right CLS.jpg

See how hard it is to see the loc line?

Geoff · 08-06-2006, 08:26 AM

how many outlets are you thinking of using? that pump can really only handle 2 outlets. any more than that and the velocity of the water coming out of the nozzles would be to slow to be any real good for the critters.

G~

DevilBoy · 08-06-2006, 11:45 AM

i am thinking only 3 geoff. but i will listen to your suggestions on it. what about the educators?

what if i use that T2 for my sump return pump, and buy a bigger pump for the CL ?

DevilBoy · 08-06-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by three90s&125sump

right CLS.jpg

See how hard it is to see the loc line?

yes it is hard to see. but your tank is drilled so that makes a big difference.

so should i remove the tube that is coming down from my 90 degree elbow at the top of the tank?

three90s&125sump · 08-06-2006, 01:46 PM

I would have it come up the back to a 90 then a peice of PVC just long enough to clear the top of the tank then a slip X threaded 45 so it is angles tward the bottom front of the tank then your loc-line adaptor. Here is a picure of the adaptor you need in a 3/4 inch.

Geoff · 08-06-2006, 04:56 PM

the T2 would make a better return pump than a CLS pump running eductors. the T3 would be perfect for running a couple of eductors. it would also do fine as a 2 outlet nozzled CLS. i would not put more than 2 outlets on any CLS unless it is a huge pump. if it pumps more than 2000gph than i would consider 3 outlets, but under that i would stick with 2 outlets.

G~

three90s&125sump · 08-06-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff

the T2 would make a better return pump than a CLS pump running eductors. the T3 would be perfect for running a couple of eductors. it would also do fine as a 2 outlet nozzled CLS. i would not put more than 2 outlets on any CLS unless it is a huge pump. if it pumps more than 2000gph than i would consider 3 outlets, but under that i would stick with 2 outlets.

G~

I have 4 out lets on each of my returns of my CLS driven with my mag18s and it is pretty good. When I turn 1 off it is more flow but there is less pattern. I don't have nearly the amount of flow you have in your 125 but it works well for what I am intending to do with it. Given his pump is 1000GPH but high head he may be able to get away with having 1/4inch reducing nozzles on the outputs. He can always turn one off if he doesn't get what he wants out of it. At least if it is there he will have the option.

DevilBoy · 08-06-2006, 07:56 PM

Well, it looks like i will probably have to re plumb this anyways. i will have to go vertically with my intake in the tank. i just dont see how i can go horizontally without the length of the pipe falling. So anyways i guess i have to look for a pump now for my CL.

i dont know if i am sold on the velocities yet. The T3 looks like it would give me less GPH then a mag12 would. I will most likely be going with just 2 outputs with a 45 degree 3/4" x 3/4" FPT and just screw in the loc line connector, then i will get some loc line with flare nozzles so i can shoot the flow anywhere i would like.

What if i do this? off of the 45 degree elbow, screw in the 3/4" MPT loc line connector, then i snap on a few loc lines, then i snap a "y" loc line connector on and then run loc line off of that with 2 flare nozzles so that would give me 2 nozzles per outlet for a total of 4. What ya think? cut down my GPH and flow alot?

three90s&125sump · 08-06-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilBoy

What if i do this? off of the 45 degree elbow, screw in the 3/4" MPT loc line connector, then i snap on a few loc lines, then i snap a "y" loc line connector on and then run loc line off of that with 2 flare nozzles so that would give me 2 nozzles per outlet for a total of 4. What ya think? cut down my GPH and flow alot?

Nah I think If you went with a 3/4 reducer Y into 2-1/2 lines it would work pretty good for you.

Gee-Off really does know what he talking about. There is some science to High pressure pumps like the T2 and the eductors. I know at work we have air compressors that run around 100PSI and we have two types of air sprayers one has no eductor on it and blows pretty hard and we have ones that have eductors on them and they easily blow twice as much air than the non eductor nozzles. The air pattern is wider and longer.

DevilBoy · 08-06-2006, 09:02 PM

do you know if Menards carries loc line?

three90s&125sump · 08-06-2006, 09:16 PM

No, they don't. I ordered mine from marine despot for a fair price an it took about 3 days for it to come.