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Old 03-19-2009, 09:49 PM   #76
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Neuticle, I used clear extruded acrylic rods that I got from www.usplastics.com when I made mine and they worked without any problems in my 75 gallon.
Cool, that's what I was thinking, it's nearly all in the axial direction so it should be fine.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:49 PM   #77
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With the 1/2" depth of the rod going into the hole, once the water and sand gets around there you will be very hard pressed to pull the rod back out so they work very well without much flex if any at all.

Of course, I did not try using a 10" long piece of the acrylic rod in mine either.
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:23 PM   #78
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Jesstheveg, You can do exactly what you are talking about by just not placing the rods in the center section where you want the cave to be. Is it possible to use 2 separate lifts in order to leave the center wide open, but I feel you get much more stability by having longer bases for the lifts.
Thanks! Definitely makes more sense doing that way when I sit and think about it. Will probably look better/be less work in the end as well
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:40 AM   #79
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Why would you need a rock lift? I am new at this and I just purchased a 125 gal setup. I am planning on LR and LS and I just want to make sure about this. Is it better to have a rock lift??
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:54 AM   #80
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The sand bed is a nutrient sink. Without proper maintenance of it, vaccuming the entire surface with each water change, it will eventually fill up with phosphate. Once that happens, any rock sitting on the sand bed will begin to wick the phosphate into it. This can cause sps corals to die and you will see a green skeleton instead of a white one.

So, the rock lifts allow you to try to keep the rock as clean as possible and let the junk settle in the sand.
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:39 AM   #81
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I'm switching back to BB on my 265g reef, and I think I want to try this method with the rods in starboard. It looks like a great idea but there is one thing I'm concerned about.

It seems like you drill the holes for the acrylic rod before you really know where you need them. So it seems the answer would be to drill extra holes and move the posts around as needed. My problem is that it seems like this would leave you with extra holes in the starboard. Those holes would then collect detritus that would not easily be blasted out, somewhat defeating the purpose of going BB and lifting the rock up. Right? What's the solution? Smart planning? I can try that, but its unlikely to work out for me. What about plugs for the unused holes made from the same rod? Think that would that work?
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:17 AM   #82
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:38 PM   #83
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My problem is that it seems like this would leave you with extra holes in the starboard. Those holes would then collect detritus that would not easily be blasted out, somewhat defeating the purpose of going BB and lifting the rock up. Right? What's the solution? Smart planning? I can try that, but its unlikely to work out for me. What about plugs for the unused holes made from the same rod? Think that would that work?
I use extra holes, although I no longer use the mass amount of rods program anymore. I suspend each rock by its own single rod, but the extra holes are still necessary as proper planning for the long haul of course simply isnt going to happen, and you dont ever want to pin yoruself down in such a way that you dont provide yourself options should you want to change things up a little.

To be perfectly honest, with a BB tank, lifting the rock up in order for detritous not to collect underneath it is kind of a moot point. That isnt the rods purpose, or at least isnt IMO. You have a BB, the rock doesnt need lifted to keep the floor clean. The rods have two purposes on a BB tank imo

1. 1 million percent stability. Nothing can move or sway in any way, and you can create impossible looking rock structures to any shape you desire. this is of course more along the lines of the new way I do it with a single rod imbedded into each rock. using the teeth and bunch of rods program only the first row of rocks is bulletproof stable. Drilling the rod into the rock, and drilling the rock above it into that rock.........there is no stacking, it is all connected to s single immovable point on the floor

2. you can use much less rock and still create endless places for coral to perch at all kinds of angles. The back parts of your reef can be hollow, with a little bit of rod instead of rock, allowing more free flow throughout.

the plugs you mention.....yep. I do that, although it isnt so much because I am worried abut a little detritous collecting in them. It is because I dont like seeing holes in the floors of my tanks. You do want to make sure your supoport holes do not go all the way through....you want the floor intact and no paths through to underneath for crap to get into

If I could offer any advice in cocern to doing this HDPE/BB method with the rods it is to take your time setting it up. Use at LEAST 3/4" thick hdpe if not thicker so it wants to sit perfectly flat, and cut it absoutley flush with the walls and or seal the ends with silicone. The stuff floats, so make sure it is secured down solidly or make sure to keep it weighted down if movign stuff aorund. A little bit of stuff getting underneath it is no big deal....but if you let one end float up while moving the tank or moving anything and you get anything of decent size stuck underneath there, you will have to break the tank down to deal with it as 1" of detritous exposed to the water column is not ok. Been there.

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Old 07-31-2009, 08:58 AM   #84
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To be perfectly honest, with a BB tank, lifting the rock up in order for detritous not to collect underneath it is kind of a moot point. That isnt the rods purpose, or at least isnt IMO. You have a BB, the rock doesnt need lifted to keep the floor clean.
I have to disagree with this, fairly strongly. With rocks resting directly on the glass you can end up with significant spots that both collect detritus and are inaccessible to siphoning. I've learned this the hard way, which is why I want to lift my rocks this time.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:54 AM   #85
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What a great idea,
I think I will do this with mr 300 gal tank.
Do have 1 question. How do crabs, snails and other critters get from the sand to the rocks if they fall off or land in the sand when you put them in
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:51 PM   #86
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