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Old 12-05-2005, 09:01 PM   #1
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110 Gallon reef sump issues - questions


Hello Everyone,
I just found this site last night and have been glued to it since ( minus work and sleep). I want to say excellent job, and thanks for the ocean of knowledge.

However, it IS an ocean of knowledge and I have a few questions. I will start with what I have and what I want and finish up with the Q's.
I have a 22 gallon SW tank now and would like to upgrade. First off, I would like to keep some soft corals and maybe some hards after a while ( I have never kept hard corals). For fish...run of the mill, tanks, gobies, wrasse, etc.
I have a 110 Gallon Perfecto tank 48" x 18" x 30" that is currently undrilled and a 20 gallon long sump) I have a hole saw on the way to cut two holes in the back of the tank to plumb internal overflows. Prematurely, this leads to my first questions. I want to get a sheet of Polycarbonate and bend it to make an overflow. Since the bulkheads will be on the back of the tank, I will run pvc lines inside of the tank from the bulkheads and enter the overflow from the bottom side. I want to "glue" or otherwise fasten the overflow to the back of the tank. Inside the overflow I will be using (2) 1.5" pvc Durso Standpipes. I believe this will handle plenty of water.

What can I use to fasten the overflow to the back of the tank securely and non-toxically? And second, what can I paint the back of the tank with to make it black that doesn't put off alot of fumes?

The water will then flow out the back, through some unions, and into the stand area. Here is where I need the help. I have read the BBs create ALOT of nitrates and that that is then converted to nitrite which builds up but isn't as bad as nitrate ( I may have this reversed, but for arguments sake, I will assume I am correct until corrected) I would like to use a DSB and about 150 LBs of live rock. How Do I cycle this without BBs? I would like to never have to use them because this will increase the space available in my sump. So I am assuming I put in my DSB and let is cycle, then add my live rock slowely and keep it running. Maybe add some crabs? Add the rest of the live rock and do more cycling.

How long to run the lighting to cycle? A good skimmer recommendation? I am sure I missed alot of need info, so I will be watching and ready to respond.
Any help is appriciated and welcome. Again, great site!

-Jared
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:59 PM   #2
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ok..lets see here....

first....yes get rid of the bio balls...i was kinda confused for a min...most call a "bare bottom" BB (no sand), deep sand bed = DSB.

stay away from DSB's are what most say...they tend to become unstable over time. this can be a hot topic and touchy depending on who you talk to. Typically most reefers will stop at 2-3" deep. this will keep gobies and shrimp happy but remain stable.

call the manufacturer first before you drill to make sure your tank is not tempered. Tempered glass is not drill-able...
you do not have to put your bulkheads at the bottom of the rear glass. you can put them higher and still achieve a durso or stockman standpipe on the exterior of the tank to minimize the sound and also save space on the interior if you need to.

dang i need a new digi cam..id just send some pics to ya! maybe next time!

to construct the over flow you can either bend it or make a 90* corner and glue them together. you can use any kind of acrylic to do this or you can buy them from most places that make acrylic tank items. i would not go less than 1/4" or so thickness. you can use aquarium silicone to put in place. make sure you put a small 45* on the bottom back corners to fit over the existing silicone.

A 110 gal tank with 20X turnover rate = 2200 GPH. Also going with the reccomended turnover rate for your tank at 2200 GPH (20X per hour) this brings you to a 30 gal min. sump size. and you will need to be able to handle 7.5 gallons of overflow in case of either pump failure or power outtage.

paint= any paint on the OUTSIDE of the tank will be fine. use rubbing alchol to clean the glass then paint away! i have 2 tanks that are painted and have no problems. also have 2 with paper on the back nad no problems.

live rock will cycle your tank. if you already have a small reef then use those rocks, or new ones. YEs your procedure on cycling is fine. just test the water ALOT in the beginning so you can see the cycle and know where you stand.

I strongly reccommend using/buying an Ro/Di filter to handle your needs of water changes and top offs from evaporation. you can find them almost anywhere including used ones and new ones. I grabbed mine on E-bay for $40, 6 stages. 3 stages are carbon that i run first to remove chlorines.

light cycle: most say 10 hours. some 12. its up to you. really we are all trying to mimic the ocean to a certain degree. some a bit further inculding computer automation which will privide you with season changes, tides, lunar cycles etc.....
since your tank is 30" deep i would go with atleast 250 halides, and prefer 400 watters. this will allow you to have all types of coral.

a good skimmer: man, there are a bunch out there! MRC, ASM, AquaC, Bullet, euroreef, nautilus EX, on and on....use the pump that factory reccomends
i strongly reccomend against buying one to "get by". it will only cause frustrations, time and money. Buy the best you can up front and be done!

same with pumps, i reccomend buying a good relible external pump for several reasons, low heat transfer, saves space in sump, easier to service, quieter, etc.... iwaki, pan world, sequence, amp master, are the big dogs that most grab for first.


hopefully this will get you started!
here at TRT we love pictures of progress and tanks, so dont be bashful!

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Old 12-06-2005, 04:29 AM   #3
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Welcome to TRT!!!



not much more to add there.

here is a thread that may help with the whole DSB/BB decision.

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Old 12-06-2005, 05:44 PM   #4
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So without Bioballs, where does the actual cycling of the tank occur?

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Old 12-07-2005, 05:01 PM   #5
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all of the biological filtration is done by the LR. all of the mechanical filtration is done by the skimmer. the only reason you would need bio-balls is if you are running a heavily stocked FOWLR system. even then you will be surprised how little bio-balls may be needed to filter the system.

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heres a quick insight to the nitrogen cycle:
ammonia=the really bad stuff from excess food and waste
nitrite=bad stuff that is the result from ammonia being broke down
nitrate=bad stuff when over 10-15 PPM. less than that will help algae and what not become a nuissance. higher will bring fatalities.

to get rid of nitrates it requires anerobic bacteria (anerobic= oxygen free/ no air) this is obviously not done with bio-balls since they are designed to mix air and water. LR will handle most of your 'trates. Skimmer will also help. the more waste in the water the more trates and what not that you will end up with.
clean water= happy corals and fish!

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Old 12-07-2005, 09:49 PM   #7
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thanks everyone! I have drawn a preliminary plumbing design. I will be in a seperate post. Please give me some insight,

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