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Old 10-12-2003, 11:13 PM   #16
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“Induced Voltage”


GFI outlet for pump & heater no ground probe yet! I do plan to get one thou. I’m curious about the “Induced Voltage” that was talked about in the link posted by kram138? ? I noticed a small electric charge (not enough to shock you) coming from my reflector above my NO florescent lights? The ballast & end caps are not mounted to the reflector? I have since added a ground wire to the reflector & I haven’t felt that little tingle sensation?
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Old 10-12-2003, 11:17 PM   #17
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i kinda likes the tingle!

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Old 10-12-2003, 11:23 PM   #18
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You could always add a couple of old RIO's in there that should help.
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Old 10-13-2003, 04:27 AM   #19
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You could always add a couple of old RIO's in there that should help.
old heck just throw a new one in
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Old 10-13-2003, 06:45 AM   #20
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I got tingled (zapped) by a rio 2500 last week. I didn't like the tingle. Cranked my elbow on the canopy then did the swearing dance.
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Old 10-13-2003, 08:07 AM   #21
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Very timely thread. I too just did the same thing with my 2nd tank. I had my hand in there last night and noticed the tingle. I Just added two electronic ballasts. I do have a probe but no GFI on this tank. Not sure whats going on yet, I guess it's time to install a GFI

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Old 10-13-2003, 08:37 AM   #22
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I've always mount my VHOS on plexi mirror and never been zapped by the ballast. I do remeber sticking my hand in the sump just about the time the heater broke. Man that hurt.

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Old 10-13-2003, 12:05 PM   #23
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on a more serious note, why do i only feel the tingle when i touch the sump? i notice it when i dose calcium in the morning, and it doesn't matter it i touch the top rim of the sump (a 20 gallon tank) or if i touch the water. i don't get tingled every morning, but it happens frequently. and i never get tingled when i'm playing (cleaning, water changes, etc.) in the display tank.

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Old 10-13-2003, 12:24 PM   #24
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Being an Electrical designer for the last 15 years, and after reading his article for the most part I agree with him. I would like to make a point that he stated and re-assert that point. If you use a grounding probe, it could be a double edge sword. One It will save your butt from getting shocked severely but you could still get shocked if conditions are met, example you make a path to ground while your hand is in the water. Even though the probe is the least path, you still could feel a good jolt. Remember salt water, even more so impure salt water will conduct, so if you somehow provide an alternative path to ground you would get some shock but the probes path to ground would still be less than through your body so it should save your life. The point he made was a good one, if the probe does its job then you may take a long time to find the problem, because the probe is delivering that current away. You need to find and fix the problem ASAP! Inspect your pumps and equipment on a regular basis, with every cleaning check the housing closely for any cracks or anything out of the ordinary, replace if necessary, these are cheaper than the alternative. Oh yes 120vac, if shorted out directly in your tank would probably kill livestock all at once, before your breaker could trip, maybe kill everything even with a GFIC but the GFIC wouold protect you. The protection your getting from these devices besides your protection, are typically for small voltages and small leaks, like when a motor or pump has a small crack in the insulator and is conducting very tiny currents. Hopefully you can find the problem and fit it before hurting your fish but for the most part the GFIC is designed to save your butt not the fish. One other good point to make, if you provide no path to ground then current won't flow, you will only have a potential in that case of a damaged pump etc. a probe would trip the GFIC but will also provide a path to ground thus current flow, which could be damaging to your live stock but at the same time helping you discover a problem. So what do you do? I can't answer that one, either way it is up to you to maintain your equipment and do your best preventive chorus. I only use a GFIC but I can't say that is the best way, a probe may serve you well, for problems and your safety.
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