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Old 10-10-2013, 12:07 PM   #1
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please give ur oppinon


Hello, I have a 20-gallon tall and a 20 gallon long. I plan on having the 20tall as my display and with 20long I was hopping to make in to a refugium. I have a canister filter witch will work as filter plus flow and I most likely I値l add more flow too. I知 also going to use a Rio nano skimmer. I致e heard mixed opinions about refug but I still like the idea plus I don稚 see how it would be more maintain and I like working with my tanks and equipment.
Now for my pride and joy. 150 gallon (currently with freshwater fish) I知 currently working on a stand that will house a 55 gallon sump maybe if there is space a little refug just to breed those little guys. At the moment it's all I have for this tank so any advice on wave makers and anything else would be appreciated. Money is an issue however I知 a very patient man and I知 buying its equipment every other paycheck one at a time so price in not a big deal. Once I have everything together then I値l set it up. Oh sorry I have a sky 731 skimmer it feels cheap but the reviews said if you池e careful it works badass. And yup I知 mister careful, which explains my patience lol (I need to have a lot of that; I have 4 kids lol)
And lets not forget my 55gallon tank currently outside with tilapia in it. And yes those guys are fun and they are badass when it comes to algae. Will be my sump for 150 gallon and I知 going to give the tilapias to my brother who has a cool pond.
Let me know what u all think. I really want to do this right the first time. And not go thru all the mistakes I did when I had my first set up yrs back. I broke it down becaue I moved to an other city and just been doing freshwater since. i live in a small town so not much help was avaible to me. however i just discovered this thing called internet( no i was not living in a box lol )
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:52 PM   #2
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Welcome to TRT. I'm confused. Are you setting up the 20's as a reef or the 150?
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:31 PM   #3
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Id go with a 20 long as the dt... better for the fish and aquascape
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:59 PM   #4
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+1 on the 20long and the display tank.ore swimming room and bigger footprint for aquascaping.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:46 AM   #5
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Welcome to TRT. I'm confused. Are you setting up the 20's as a reef or the 150?
im gonna set up the 20gallon this weekend and and the 150 is gonna be a long term project.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:52 AM   #6
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Id go with a 20 long as the dt... better for the fish and aquascape
i also felt that way and if can get my hands on a nice stand for it, i will (im going to the fleamarket this weekend) but for now the tall is gonna sit on my desk and the refug will sit on the floor between my wall and desk.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:13 AM   #7
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i was thinkin about my skimmer. its rated for 30gallons is that gonna be enough? i know must people do over skimming but i was figureing that the refug might be able to help w that. its a hob rio 1101 i think 1101 is right but im not at home right now.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:26 PM   #8
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skip the 20's and go straight to the 150 for SW not FW! =) If you have the money to slowly work on it and planning on doing it anyways just skip the headaches of a nano tank!
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:34 PM   #9
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no i have everything ready for the nanos and so far i like the look of the tanks in my bedroom. it might help me on those nights i cant sleep. instead of getting out of bed and watch tv i'll turn my head and count pods lol
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #10
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You wont even need a skimmer on the 20 if you keep up with water changes.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:22 PM   #11
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thats what i've been told kinda makes me nervous tho. i think i'll leave just for extra support.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:57 PM   #12
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I would first look into refugiums, and the extra work that is required to keep them clean, as they can become a problem. Some is exported by trimming the algae growth, but most of the nutrients is trapped in the sand bed. If you are still wanting to try it, then go for it.

I'm a little lost on the 20s. Are you using one as a sump to hide all your equipment (pumps, filters, skimmers) with room for a refugium ? Or are you setting one up as a reef and the other as primarily a refugium/place to grow algae?
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:15 PM   #13
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I'm a little lost on the 20s. Are you using one as a sump to hide all your equipment (pumps, filters, skimmers) with room for a refugium ? Or are you setting one up as a reef and the other as primarily a refugium/place to grow algae?
my skimmer is a hob and i'm gonna use a canister filter and ofcourse live rock as much as i can get. so a sump really isnt necaccery, thats why i want to make a refug just to see how it works out. i'v looked in to it but nothin on smaller tanks. any experice would be appreciated on the subject. tommorow morning i begin so i can still be convinced to do something else.
and my pump i was thinking just put it in the refug of course.
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my skimmer is a hob and i'm gonna use a canister filter and ofcourse live rock as much as i can get. so a sump really isnt necaccery, thats why i want to make a refug just to see how it works out. i'v looked in to it but nothin on smaller tanks. any experice would be appreciated on the subject. tommorow morning i begin so i can still be convinced to do something else.
and my pump i was thinking just put it in the refug of course.

Ok, that gives you some more options. If you are set on doing a refugium, I would suggest making both 20's displays, if that makes sense. Having them both connected provides you with more water, reducing fluctuations, and only 1 system to care for. 1 tank would be for your reef, and the other can be setup as a lagoon. There are some great examples on youtube. If you ever want to keep something that requires it's own tank, (like a sea horse) you can use the lagoon. Lagoons are practically a fancy refugium, hosting algae or mangroves.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:17 PM   #15
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I have rubble in my refugium, no sand, and I syphon it out once a week. Works great. I think you have the right ideas. Since you're patient, read the newbie stickies and I'll try to find you a link...

I went with a jebao wavemaker the wp25, but even that would be too much for your 20g. It's almost too much for my 55g.

If you go larger it'll be easier. More water volume is more forgiving of mistakes.
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