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Old 02-27-2001, 02:41 PM   #1
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Who ate my serpent star


I have a purple tang and a coral beauty. Both are just under 2" big, each. I put a good size (10" across) red serpent star in the tank (tank is 75 gallon). A few days later the first arm was missing, not long two more, then the back was torn off. Never saw either one pick on him. I think one of them took some bites out of a chocolate chip star fish also. I also have two clowns with a host anemone, maybe them? Anyone know who might have a taste for star fish?
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Old 02-27-2001, 03:07 PM   #2
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I have heard of serpants sort of 'falling apart' if they aren't happy with the water. Also, I believe that stars can posses pathogens (for lack of a better all-encompassing phrase) that they can pass to each other.
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Old 02-28-2001, 09:39 AM   #3
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This happens when the salinity of where it came from, does not match the salinity where it is going, and not enough time is spent acclimating it.
I saw a whole bag of them blow up at my LFS after an employee just dumped them in.
I acclimated mine for 3 hours and he was okay.
If it's still alive, the legs will grow back and the disk should heal.

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Old 02-28-2001, 03:55 PM   #4
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The acclimatization of sea stars is so important that the fact that Linckia stars have an 80 to 90% mortality shipping rate is prolly due to the improper acclimatization of the sea stars, not necessarily the shipping. If your sea stars seem to explode, it is prolly due to the acclimatization problems seen with these echinoderms.

One of the features that distinguish echinoderms from all other animals is the presence of the ambulacral system, a relatively high-pressure hydraulic system that is used to power Asteroidea body movements. This hydrovascular system is a set of vascular vessels that use body fluids/water to extend and contract their tube feet. Tube feet are extensions of the final branches of the hydrovascular system. Although is was long thought that the tube feet used the hydrovascular system to produce suction that allowed the tube feet to “grab” the substrate, etc, it is now known that the base of the tube feet use a 2 substance system of adhesive/adhesive-resolver to literally “glue” the tube feet to the objects they come in contact with and un-glue them to release them.

The presence of the hydrovascular system is probably one of the major limitations for keeping asteroids in the home aquarium. The ambulacral system is made up of many membranes and delicate tissues that simply do not respond well to repeated challenges by fluctuations in the salinity of the environment. If the changes are abrupt enough, the tissues/membranes will respond by rupturing due to the osmotic gradient across these membranes. Most echinoderms simply cannot tolerate fluctuations in the salinity of the water column. Echinoderms are some of the oldest living extant spp of marine creatures, and have over millions of years adapted to living in fully marine (as opposed to estuary or brackish or freshwater) conditions, with the salinity at 35 to 36 ppt. ( 1.026 S.G.at 84° F).
Water does not enter the water vascular system passively; rather, it is actively pumped into the hydrovascular system through an as yet incompletely understood metabolic pathway. When fluctuations in salinity rupture the membranes of the hydrovascular system, death or at least the “explosion” of the sea star occurs. This demise often occurs over several days to weeks, with pieces of flesh falling off the main body mass after the damage to the ambulacral system has occurred. See http://www.geocities.com/banggai/blinckia.html for some pictures of the effects on Linckia levegata. Some times the remaining rays will re-grow the central disk, so it is possible to maintain the pieces to recover and re-grow full bodies if there are few scavengers…

In addition to the possible assault on the hydrovascular system, linckias have another target of salinity weaknesses. The aboral surface of stars is often covered with small, delicate, filmy projections of the main body cavity of the creature through holes in the body wall. These are the dermal gills, considered to be the primary site of gas exchange. These projections are filled with fluid from the body cavity, which is circulated through the structures by cilia. These dermal gills are also subject to osmotic rupture and damage during periods of salinity fluctuation.
Consequently, although sea stars can survive a wide number of environmental challenges, from poor water quality to temperature fluctuations, they simply cannot tolerate fluctuations of salinity.

I wish that I could tell you that I have had fantastic success using the following acclimatization procedure, but often prior handling of the sea stars will determine how well they will survive in your tank. Remember that the damage to the hydrovascular system is often slow to appear in the creature. Make sure that when you select your sea star that you look for firm creatures with no strictures or pits on the dermal surfaces and well-extended tube feet on the aboral surface of the rays.

The best method of acclimatizing these wonderful creatures is to arrange a drip (get an IV tube set from the hospital if possible) and place the creature in a bucket or container large enough to hold the sea star and it’s water that it was shipped in. Place this container in another container (PLEASE, NOT the SUMP!!! This allows the introduction of the shipping water and anything else in that water into your system… …including copper…) large enough to hold 4 volumes of the first container (or use a sink). Start the drip at about 1 to 2 drops per second. This will take about 4 to 6 hours to replace the volume 3 or 4 times depending on how much water you start with. I would suggest this method whenever introducing ANY echinoderm, and prolly snails as well, although most marine snails will do with a 2 hour acclimatization. If you can’t acquire an IV set from the hospital, take some air line tubing and put a clamp on the tube to adjust the flow rate into the acclimatization chamber. Use a watch to see how many drops fall in to the container in 30 seconds (use this as 25 to50 drops per 30 seconds)

I hope this helps, I have lost a few Linckia over the years by not knowing this information. I know that most of the info here is specific to Linckia spp., but it applies to ALL echinoderms as well, urchins, sea cukes, sand dollars, and sea stars.
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Old 03-01-2001, 08:07 AM   #5
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Gee Tom,


Just like I said


Nice description.
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Well I guess it looks like I can't blame it on the Coral Beauty. I certainly didn't acclimate the poor guy that long. I did see one of his legs come off. I though maybe he was wounded. I guess not. I know where to go first before I buy now anyhow. Thanks for the input. Are the brittle stars as sensitive to water salinity?
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The brittle stars are very prone, as are all echinoderms, although the worst are the larger sea stars. This includes the chocolate chips and the bats stars and the other various "meaty" stars as well as the linckia sea stars. The common name prolly comes from the fact that the brittle stars will drop a piece of leg when attacked by fish predators, but it could as easily be from mishandling and mis-shipping by collectors/keepers.
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