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Old 06-04-2007, 08:56 AM   #1
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when to add live rock


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i've just set up my tank and getting ready to add the RO water to the tank. I will be mixing the salt in the tank with the powerheads running to provide good mixture and will have the heating running to get the right temperature.

Once salt is mixed and i get the correct salinity, if needed I will be added a pH buffer. After all that is done and the pH and salinity is correct, i plan to add my live coral sand and wait for it to clear up. After this i want to know if it would be the correct time to add the liverock and start the cycling?

should i add a damsel in there aswell to start the cycle?

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Old 06-04-2007, 09:11 AM   #2
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You will not need to add a damsel to start the cycling process.
Here is my process for setting up a tank.
1. Fill with salt water.
2. Add sand.
3. Add rocks
4. Sit there and watch the rocks for at least a month.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:13 AM   #3
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so the rocks should start the cycle? should i start monitoring the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels from the day i add liverocks or wait?

oh and what should i be watching the liverocks for? anything in particular?
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:14 AM   #4
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Just right after you put in the sand you can add the LR. And agreed, there is no benefit to add a damsel to get the cycling going, the LR should be plenty. If you feel you want to help trigger it, add a small piece of raw shrimp from the grocery store to the tank for about 24 hours, then remove it. That would be plenty to get everything going along.
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so the rocks should start the cycle? should i start monitoring the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels from the day i add liverocks or wait?

oh and what should i be watching the liverocks for? anything in particular?
You can start monitoring the levels from day 1, but really you just want to check for them to hit 0, so if you waited a few weeks you could save yourself a couple tests.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:17 AM   #6
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thanks, i shall be trying that
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:28 AM   #7
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btw, how much live rock is recommeded to add? my tank holds approximately 85US gallons
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:01 AM   #8
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General rule of thumb is about 1 to 2lbs per gallon.
To save you a couple dollars, you don't have to get all live rock. Actually you don't really have to get any. You can get reefbones (AKA dead coral) or some base rock, or cinderblock from what I am hearing. All you would need is 1 pound of live rock to seed the rest of the rocks in your tank.

Just don't get sucked into the trap, live rock really isn't as great as the fish stores claim it is.
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:03 AM   #9
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The amount of rock depends on how much you can afford and how much free space you want in your tank. You actually want rock that is more pourous. and therefore lighter. Some folks go with about 1lb per gallon but I've seen less and more.
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:01 AM   #10
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if its 1lbs per gallon, its going to cost me quiet a bit. I like the idea of the reefbones. can you give me more information or possible ideas where i can get from.

my budget possibly allows me to have upto 35lbs of live fiji rock.

any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

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Old 06-04-2007, 11:39 AM   #11
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If you add the 35# and add 50+# latter it will cycle again.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:25 PM   #12
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if you use cured live rock and live sand, you may avoid a cycle altogether. (happened for me in my tank) definitely do not add corals before live rock. I second not adding the damsel, then you are stuck catching and returning an uber-aggressive fish (if the LFS is even willing to take it back).
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:31 PM   #13
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General rule of thumb is about 1 to 2lbs per gallon.
To save you a couple dollars, you don't have to get all live rock. Actually you don't really have to get any. You can get reefbones (AKA dead coral) or some base rock, or cinderblock from what I am hearing. All you would need is 1 pound of live rock to seed the rest of the rocks in your tank.

Just don't get sucked into the trap, live rock really isn't as great as the fish stores claim it is.
I agree you don't need all live rock, but I think its a mistake to say you don't need any. You need at least some live rock to seed the rest of your rocks...to save money see if you have a local reef club and buy some from another reefer shutting down their tank (this is also more environmentally friendly). Another alternative is buying 20-30 lbs of live rock from an LFS or from www.premiumaquatics.com (this seems to be the favorite choice for buying LR online) and then buying dry rock that will become live from a site like www.marcorocks.com.

Noticed you live in London, as its a huge city the marine aquarium club is most likely very active...I'd post on their forum and ask if anyone is selling live rock, heres a link: http://www.aquariumpros.ca/forums/fo...play.php?f=148
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:38 PM   #14
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You have some good advice here so far! Add the rock, live and not, at onbe time. When you aquascape (stack to your liking) stack the rock so that htere is as much space in between the pieces as possible. This will allow good flow between the rocks and great hiding places for your critters. Also stack with the future of coral in mind, make shelves at different levels in the tank for coral that likes different amounts of light and flow.
Above all, when you get the rock in there, dont do anything to the tank. No addatives, no animals no nothing. This is very important to the future stability of the tank. There will many things happening in the tank for a quite some time. Adding things will just slow, change or retard the natural processes and can throw the whole thing out of whack. Let the rock do the work. Before each water change, blast the rock out with a power head or a turkey baster. This will help to get the junk out of the nooks and crannys in the rock. You will have die off on the LR, this is normal and what will start the cycle/ curing process. Just blast it out so it doesnt stick in the rock and become algae food down the line.
I wouldnt worry about testing for a while, no need. The longer you wait to add anything the better. personally I would wait 6 to 8 weeks.
Again, you need no addatives. The wter changes will take care of anything that needs repelnishement. HTH
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Old 06-04-2007, 01:25 PM   #15
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I second the marcorock, he is local to me and is a great guy. He does a great job of giving you the sizes and shapes you ask for and it is the most porus rock I have seen yet! Keep that in mind if you do order it as 50# of his rock will be a lot more than 50# of figi live rock.
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