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Old 03-06-2009, 04:39 PM   #1
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Whats wrong with my Elegance Coral


Ok for the last 3 days my elegance hasnt really oppened up much im not sure why.. Hears a picture of it. Im not sure if its just not happy or my hermit crabs are all overhim from time to time and he doesnt like it.. I have had it in the same spot for months now.. All my tests say my tank is fine(ph,calcium,phosphates,nitrites, ect, the only thing that is off is my nitrates are at 20).. any sugestions?
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:04 PM   #2
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Man I hate seeing that!

Several problems. First, you bought an Indonesian Elegance. Second, the light it is exposed to is to strong. Third, the hermits will cause it to decline rapidly. Fourth, it is bleached.

To be honest with you, the odds of that coral surviving in the typical reef tank are very slim. For now about all you can do is move it to a more shaded area and keep the other critters off of it. Once the swelling goes down, it will start producing excess mucous. This mucous will collect in the center of the coral along the mouths. It's easy to see because detritus will become stuck to it. Every morning you will need to wave you hand over the coral to remove this mucous. If you don't, it will smother the coral and it will die. Anything you can do to insure great water quality like stepping up water changes can only benefit the coral. Keep the water moving around the coral, but do not blast it with flow.

I'm truly sorry you're going through this with your coral. In the future, before you buy a coral, you can save yourself some money by asking about the species here on TRT. You can rest assured that someone on TRT will know how to care for just about any critter you can think of. I could have saved you 80 bucks, or what ever you paid for that coral, and told you to buy an Australian Elegance. You would probably be posting a pic showing how beautiful your new Elegance is instead of posting a pic wanting to know how to bring it back from the dead.

I'm sorry if I come across as harsh. I really don't mean it that way. I just hate to see people buy these corals when there is such a better option available. Indonesia will continue to collect these corals until they have none left. Australia won't allow that to happen in their waters. Australian Elegance are MUCH healthier when they get here and they adapt to aquarium life much better.
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:20 PM   #3
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I won't pretend to know as much about this as EC but your Hermits are opportunists. They do no however typically go after healthy tissue unless very hungry. The fact that they are on it means it is very weak. you need to isolate one or the other temporarily. I have used strawberry baskets for this in the past. Sending good mojo to you and your elegance
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:15 AM   #4
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EC said it all!
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:24 AM   #5
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When there's a question about an elegance coral.... and a comment by a guy called elegance coral..... It's hard to add much to the discussion
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:42 AM   #6
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Man I hate seeing that!

Several problems. First, you bought an Indonesian Elegance. Second, the light it is exposed to is to strong. Third, the hermits will cause it to decline rapidly. Fourth, it is bleached.

To be honest with you, the odds of that coral surviving in the typical reef tank are very slim. For now about all you can do is move it to a more shaded area and keep the other critters off of it. Once the swelling goes down, it will start producing excess mucous. This mucous will collect in the center of the coral along the mouths. It's easy to see because detritus will become stuck to it. Every morning you will need to wave you hand over the coral to remove this mucous. If you don't, it will smother the coral and it will die. Anything you can do to insure great water quality like stepping up water changes can only benefit the coral. Keep the water moving around the coral, but do not blast it with flow.

I'm truly sorry you're going through this with your coral. In the future, before you buy a coral, you can save yourself some money by asking about the species here on TRT. You can rest assured that someone on TRT will know how to care for just about any critter you can think of. I could have saved you 80 bucks, or what ever you paid for that coral, and told you to buy an Australian Elegance. You would probably be posting a pic showing how beautiful your new Elegance is instead of posting a pic wanting to know how to bring it back from the dead.

I'm sorry if I come across as harsh. I really don't mean it that way. I just hate to see people buy these corals when there is such a better option available. Indonesia will continue to collect these corals until they have none left. Australia won't allow that to happen in their waters. Australian Elegance are MUCH healthier when they get here and they adapt to aquarium life much better.

i wish i would have known that before i bought it... thank you.. ill do my best to lower the light and the cleaning
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:45 AM   #7
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fyi i was told by my LFS that all they sell is Australian corals..what an a#$ they are.. thank you so much for the help Elegance Coral.. I was looking forward to hearing your responce..
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O i do water changes once a week 10%
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Ec Whats The Best Place To Put An Australian Elegance?
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EC- how can you tell where the elegance coral came from by looks?

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I'm guessing only because its not looking so hot? ....ive read about them for several years and have heard there is no accurate way to distinguish them, asside from general health in our tanks...

Hoping to learn something new here because one day id like one...
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Ec Whats The Best Place To Put An Australian Elegance?
IMHO, it would be somewhere mid depth of the tank, where the flow is calm. Like other corals, you would need to observe it's reactions, and adjust its placement accordingly. This isn't an easy question to answer. It's not like I can say, "Put it in the bottom left hand corner." I have no idea what the conditions are like in the bottom left hand corner of your tank, so....IDK. Basically, just provide it with good quality lighting, and water, like you would for any other stony coral. Then cut the flow in half from what most other stony coral appreciate. Allays observe the coral closely, and take note of any changes. If you notice something a little different than normal, post a thread, and I'm sure, myself, or someone else will be able to help.
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This is a beauty......

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=597+321+461&pcatid=461


Would like to take care of one of these!!!!
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I'm guessing only because its not looking so hot? ....ive read about them for several years and have heard there is no accurate way to distinguish them, asside from general health in our tanks...

Hoping to learn something new here because one day id like one...
In most cases, John is right, that you can't tell conclusively where an elegance came from by looks alone. There's no doubt in my mind where this coral came from though. Others may argue that point, but...... Everything about this coral points to Indonesia. Australian collectors go to the reef and collect their corals. Here is where they find large elegance. They can collect one coral, take it back to the shop, cut it up, and sell it as many smaller corals. This is much easier and less time consuming, than swimming all over the place picking up one little elegance here, and another over there.......... Elegance corals that live on the reef have clean white skeletons, because they haven't been stuck down in some filthy sand bed. Look at the color of the corals skeleton above. Indonesia has depleted these large elegance from the reefs in the collection areas. They have been collecting elegance in the shallows on and around the reef for decades in Indonesia. They are largely depleted. There surely isn't enough to feed the demand for this coral. Indonesian collectors are now forced to dive to the silt beds at the base of fore reefs to collect these corals. Here, the corals remain comparatively smaller, and their skeletons are discolored from the muck they live in. (again, look at how dark the skeleton is above.)

We all know that really really bad things happen to coral when we suddenly move them from a low light environment to a bright light environment. The symptoms of this can differ from species to species, and from individual to individual, for those corals that occupy a wide range of habitats, like elegance and trashy. If you harvest an elegance from the base of a fore reef, say 100+ feet, drop it in a bucket attached to a line, and have someone haul it to the surface, the amount of PAR increase, in a brief period of time, that the coral will experience will be HUGE. The corals reaction is to blow up like a balloon and withdraw its tentacles. IMHO, this is why we see these symptoms immediately after collection, but not in their natural environment. I also believe the coral is suffering tissue damage from this exposure, as any coral would. Once the light is subdued, the over inflated polyp will deflate, but it will not reinflate to its original size until long after it heals. So, you end up with a polyp that gets smaller and smaller each time it's exposed to bright light and temporarily swells up. Look up at the coral above. The polyp is tiny compared to the size of the skeleton, which leads me to believe its been through this process several time. The polyp is small, but over inflated, or swollen. This tells me the coral is in the process of suffering more physical damage from over exposure to light. The brightness of that photo further convinces me that this is what's taking place.
So, when you combine everything, the dark skeleton, small polyp, swollen polyp, and tiny tentacles, it all corresponds with the symptoms of the Indonesian elegance. It is possible for an Australian collector to dive to depth, and collect one of these corals that would show the same symptoms, but it's highly unlikely. I've been shopping for elegance from the first day Australia began exporting. I'm constantly looking online, at LFS's, and the local wholesaler. I've never seen these symptoms in an Australian elegance. To me, there is absolutely no doubt. This is an Indonesian elegance.
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http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=597+321+461&pcatid=461


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Just don't buy the top two on that list. They are cheaper, but all you're likely to end up with is a dirty piece of reef rubble. The Aussies are more expensive, but they live. It would also be worth it to go to the Diver's Den, LPS section of that site, so you can see the coral you're getting.
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