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Old 09-13-2007, 08:29 AM   #1
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What temperature should I raise my tank to to treat Ich???


I'm fighting an Ich outbreak in my tank and its too hard to catch the fish so I am just using my main tank. I have dropped the salinity down to 1.019 and am in the process of raising the tank temperature.

Besides the fish I only have a bubble tip anenome

What temperature should I raise it to so that its not too hot yet its the best for speeding up the Ich cycle???
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:10 AM   #2
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What you are proposing won't work for ich. Hyposalinity treatment needs to be 1.009 for 6+ weeks (I usually run it for 8) while the main tank is kept fishless for an equal amount of time. This salinity will kill your coral and anything on the liverock, which is why you can't do it in the main tank. Raising the temp will speed up the lifecycle, but you can't eradicate it with a temp increase.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:32 AM   #3
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Agreed. Take them out and treat in QT with Hyposalinity, its the only surefire way.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:39 AM   #4
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feed them food that is soaked in garlic and vitamin c to help their immune systems and treat the tank with mela-fix.

i know what you mean about not being able to catch them...furthermore the stress you put on them catching them and moving them isn't going to help your chances.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:48 AM   #5
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If you have no corals in the tank, it should be easy to catch them, just take out your rock and put it in a rubbermaid, catch your fish, and then put it back in.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:55 AM   #6
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Garlic/Vit C is a crap shoot. Better IMO to use with healthy fish to keep them healthy than as a "cure" for ich. If you are dead set on not removing your fish, that's probably the best you can do though.

Melafix I would never put in my display. It has not been shown to treat ich effectively. I'm aware of NO in tank treatment for ich that works other than garlic+prayer, which is dicey.

Bottom line is copper or hyposalinity are the only proven methods to treat ich. The stress of removing the fish is minor, and the payoff of a hospital tank is huge.

Do yourself a favor. Treat your fish with hypo in a hospital tank. Leave the main tank fishless for at least 2 months. Then QT *everything* (not just fish) you get from now on and treat all fish with hypo. You'll never get ich in your display ever again.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:55 AM   #7
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You may help them over the bump, but you will still have ich in the tank. Plus lowering the salinity will kill many of the inverts and pods. The best way is to treat in a q-tank and let the ich die in the main tank via breaking the life cycle. Then be religious about quarantining all new arrivals so as not to introduce the parasite back into the display.
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Garlic/Vit C is a crap shoot. Better IMO to use with healthy fish to keep them healthy than as a "cure" for ich. If you are dead set on not removing your fish, that's probably the best you can do though.

Melafix I would never put in my display. It has not been shown to treat ich effectively. I'm aware of NO in tank treatment for ich that works other than garlic+prayer, which is dicey.

Bottom line is copper or hyposalinity are the only proven methods to treat ich. The stress of removing the fish is minor, and the payoff of a hospital tank is huge.

Do yourself a favor. Treat your fish with hypo in a hospital tank. Leave the main tank fishless for at least 2 months. Then QT *everything* (not just fish) you get from now on and treat all fish with hypo. You'll never get ich in your display ever again.
Ok I tied for the post, but this response was more in depth And I agree!
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Ok I tied for the post, but this response was more in depth And I agree!


Here's a good reference on hypo:

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/tr...osalinity.html
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:28 PM   #10
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hold on... before you do anything lets hear the stats on the tank. the only reason a fish gets sick is because it is stressed. usually water issues. fix the water and the fish will fix itself.
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:41 PM   #11
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what if my only source of bio filtration is the liverock??? do i need to seed the tank with bioballs or something to use for the QT or how much live rock am I going to lose/need for the QT for filtration???
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:42 PM   #12
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im actually better off to just remove 3/4 of the liverock and the anenome into a seperate tank only leaving a small amount of liverock and the fish in the main tank and using it as the QT tank no????
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None. In a q tank, I use a HOB filter. I seed the sponge for the HOB filter by soaking it in the sump or tank for a few days to a few weeks to establish the bacterial colony. I then lay a bunch of PVC fittings and stuff inside the q-tank for the fish to hide in.

Twitter and I, I'm sure, respect one another's points on ich. There are several schools of thought. I believe twitters is to keep the fish healthy and get them to pull through on their own. It works well and many people have success this way.

I personally believe that the ich will just continue it's life cycle inside the tank whether the fish is healthy or not. So I prefer to treat in a q tank with hypo (copper should not be used on scaleless fish) and leave the display fishless for 6 weeks. This way the ich on the fish will die as they cannot survive at the SG and the ich in the tank will die as there is not host to complete their life cycle.

So I did not want to have you confused by the conflicting info Like I said I totally and completely respect Twitter's position and support you with which ever method you chose

Good luck!
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:54 PM   #14
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I've been successful raising the temp to 90 for a week but it was very stressful on the fish. I am using the website listed above for hyposalinity. I am 13 days into it and it is going well. Looking forward to no ich in my tank. I caught my ich outbreak by not using a QT. It would have been much easier to do that in the first place.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:33 PM   #15
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1) how bad is the ich?
2) how many fish?
3) what is your total cost of replacing your fish?

IMO and experience (after losing all my fishstock TWO times because of ICH)....you can hypo this and qt that....move this rock there and move that coral over there....run two tanks for 3 months and do all the water changes.....

..........and after you've spent HOURS & HOURS & HOURS of your time and labor..... all the fish will 90% of the time die anyway. and all you've got to show for it is a TON of labor you put in and a bad attitude towards the hobby.

ich is brought out on a fish by it being STRESSED (i.e. not being in their nature friendly happy environment)....

IMO keep all the fish WHERE they're at and dont move a thing....find the CAUSE of the stress and remove it. the fish will either rebound or croak, BOTTOMLINE.

I've been there, done that, two times... and wasted a lot of my time. One thing I've learned in reefkeeping is NOT to CHANGE anything drastically.... removing fish and QTing and Hypo'ing is all tooooooooo drastic. waste of time and money.

remove these causes of stress in your tank:
> poor water quality - poor water parameters
> too much current flow in the tank
> too many fish in the tank
> incompatible fish pissing each other off
> over-feeding
> tank not "mature" enough and you added too many fish too quick
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