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Old 03-13-2009, 05:01 PM   #16
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Randy, I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what I meant. It would be great if each person that got in the hobby spent 2 or 3 years doing research on the needs of a home reef environment, but I don't think that's realistic. However, if they are interested enough to come to a site like this and ask questions they will eventually develop a better understanding of what it takes. Also, a lot of what people do w/ their reefs is based on their personal opinions and experience. There are a lot of arguments for and against skimmers, and what type of skimmers. There are also a lot of arguments for and against refugiums. I think each person probably decides what to believe and then uses their own experience to confirm or deny that belief. My suggestion, since it appears he is planning on moving slowly, doing live rock and fish, then moving to corals, is that he start with a skimmer to help keep the tank clean and stable and have a better chance of success vs. no skimmer and a fuge, which I believe requires more time and experience. I'm not advocating ignorance, I'm trying to recommend the best direction for success.
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:02 PM   #17
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Randy - You're a real jerk
I will remember that in the future. If I disagree, or people ask my opinion, and I post it, I will be a jerk. Not the worst thing I have ever been called though.
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:10 PM   #18
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i am one to agree also that a skimmer is the only piece of external filtration equipment needed to keep a successful reef tank. refugiums as a filter are not refugiums but another form of filter that needs maintenance like any other filter. lots of siphoning or if it contains sand replacement of the sand every few years to keep it useable. i am one to feel that we make reef keeping far more difficult than it should be. having been in the hobby for nearly 20 years i have done it all. there is a reason why i say.

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Old 03-13-2009, 05:54 PM   #19
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I will remember that in the future. If I disagree, or people ask my opinion, and I post it, I will be a jerk. Not the worst thing I have ever been called though.
The fact people are calling you anything at all speaks to your character. Guess you just kind proved my point.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:13 PM   #20
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Or it shows there pure ignorance by not knowing what they are talking about Nick.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:25 PM   #21
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There is plenty of room in this hobby for lots of different filtration ideas. There is no need to get personal or call names. All of them have pluses and minuses. I think it was nueticle who was running his tank skimmerless and using only a fuge for nutrient control. I think fuges are another filtration method, which depending on your application may or may not be the best option for you. I don't think the OP will be getting a good impression of TRT at the present rate of discussion.

I would avoid the wet/dry. The fuge is an option but if I were to recomend the easiest setup to start out with I would recomend a quality skimmer and liverock as the primary filtration. I am not saying this is better but it is more common. If you want to learn more about other ways of doing it you can browse old discussions or just ask
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:50 PM   #22
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As for growing algae to control algae, do you have an ant farm at your house to control the ants?
Nope, but if I could come up with a species of ant that wouldn't tare up my yard or attack small children, but would eradicate fire ants, I shore would. I would get rich breeding and selling ants so that others could fight ants with ants as well.

The process of fighting fire with fire seems ridiculous too. Until you understand how it works, and why it is common place with forestry departments across the globe. I can't help but to think that you understand how fighting algae with algae works, and yet you still keep making comments as to how ridiculous it sounds. Sure it sounds ridiculous, but it works. I can come up with plenty of information showing that it works, but you will be unable to come up with a shred of evidence to show that it doesn't. Why does it matter how ridiculous it sounds if it works?

I understand that you don't want to use it in your system, and that's cool. If others want to use it in their systems and the only negative thing you can come up with, to discourage them, is that it sounds ridiculous, maybe they shouldn't be discouraged.

If you told someone not to use Caulerpa because it can crash, turn the water white, and cause soft corals to discharge nasty chemicals, I would have your back. I use Caulerpa in my systems, but I don't advise that others should use it. What's good for me and my system may not be good for the average hobbyist. A big honkin skimmer, settling tank, and weekly water changes may work for some, but it may not work well for the average hobbyist. I know for a fact that if I had to change water every weekend because my skimmer wasn't dealing with everything I want dealt with, I would not be in the hobby. If I can employ methods that deal with issues that the skimmer doesn't and it reduces the amount of maintenance I have to do on the system, I'm going to. I'm not going to change water every weekend. It's just not gonna happen. No matter how automated I make the system. Algae is one of the tools that helps keep my system healthy until I get time to change water.

All the OP wanted to know is if they should install a wet/dry or refuge. We all understand the problems with putting wet/dry filters on reef tanks. Refuges on the other hand provide multiple bennifits for the system. We have no legitimate reason to discourage the OP from installing one.



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I just prefer to try to starve it than feed it, thats all.
That's what algae in a connected tank outside the DT will do. It will starve algae that would otherwise grow in the DT.

Just for the record though. I don't grow algae to fight algae. I grow algae to insure that phosphate levels remain low, so that calcification isn't restricted. I use Mexican Turbo snails to fight algae.
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:10 PM   #23
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Well ty all for your input i did leave out allot of other info i have a drilled 75g tank and i have a decent skimmer that hangs on the back seems to get a decent amount of collection in the cup and i been doing 20% water changes once a week and check my water every other day, also i do have some live rock in the tank as well. Bought me a 6 stage RO system a few weeks ago but yeah i have to agree with this hobby deffinatley is a live and learn one, today i made me a refugium so im gonna try that out and yeah i proly get a few shakes from some peoples heads and shrugs from others but ty all again for your input much appreciated!
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