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Old 05-16-2012, 08:58 AM   #1
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Trash Can for a sump?


Anyone ever used one of these as a sump?


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Old 05-16-2012, 09:16 AM   #2
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I don't think that would be a good sump. It would be good to add extra water volume to the tank but I think thatd be about it. It's also a great rodi storage container.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:50 AM   #3
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I don't think that would be a good sump. It would be good to add extra water volume to the tank but I think thatd be about it. It's also a great rodi storage container.
I currently use 2 of these for water storage, one for RODI and one for saltwater mixing.

My sump has usually just been used to hold the circulation pump, water heater, and live rock that I don't have room for in the tank. I would use one of these:



but I don't have quite enough room for it and I worry that evaporation may be a problem given the large open top. Any other thoughts? I am looking mainly for something that will allow me to increase my water volume from 50 gallons to greater than 100.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:57 AM   #4
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why? it will not allow you to have more critters. that is determined by the display size physically. if you were to add more volume with a purpose, lets say for adding a conical settling tank, then yes go for it. that way the tank is doing work for you, and not adding another area to siphon clean of detritus on a regular basis.

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Old 05-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #5
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why? it will not allow you to have more critters. that is determined by the display size physically. if you were to add more volume with a purpose, lets say for adding a conical settling tank, then yes go for it. that way the tank is doing work for you, and not adding another area to siphon clean of detritus on a regular basis.

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Wouldn't the added water volume help keep parameters more stable.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:41 AM   #6
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depends on the parameter you are trying to keep more stable. more volume does allow you to keep the salinity and temperature more stable, but can also lead to increasing nutrient levels if what contains the added volume is not maintained.

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Old 05-17-2012, 09:55 AM   #7
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i dont think its necessarily a bad idea, other than figuring out how you plan to partition it so its a useable sump and having a closet close by to hide it. But id still wager if you want to add 50 gallons it would be easier in the long run to get a tank off of craigslist.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:03 PM   #8
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I think you are looking at more work. Having all of that crammed into a trashcan looks to me to be more difficult to remove any built up deterous. What about a skimmer? Where will it go? How will you siphon out buildup under the live rock in it? That is just a few things I would be asking myself if it were me. Not saying it can't be done but their are better ways to skin a cat in my opinion.

You may get some more evaporation going linear with something like another aquarium or rubbermaid tub but you would add surface area for O2 transfer, room for all of your rock and equipment, easier access to remove buildup, ability to baffle off chambers so you don't have any loose rubble make its way into your return pump.... Yadda Yadda Yadda...
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:32 AM   #9
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All very good points. Let me clarify the main goal that I have by giving you some background. The tank is in the living room at the front of the house and the water supply is all in the back of the house (old urban house in NJ where the lots are all 25ft across by 100ft deep so you can imagine the layout of the house.....long and skinny) which means hauling water in buckets back and forth for water changes often resulted in a strained back and spillage onto our carpet....followed by the inevitable griping by the wife. My sump was a 20L that I had in the tank cabinet. Water changes became such a pain that I eventually stopped doing them regularly and the tank fell into some pretty hard times. We recently did some remodeling which required me to disassemble the tank. This time I am determined to get it right so this is what I have been doing.

1. There is a cellar in the back of my house that maintains pretty constant temperature given that it is cut into the ground. It is also where all of the water pipes come into the house. There is plenty of room to have a couple of rubbermaid trashcans for RODI storage and saltwater mixing.

2. My house has a crawl space. I have run the overflow of my tank to a 1 1/2 inch PVC pipe that runs through the crawl space and out into the cellar. I have also run a 1/2 inch PVC pipe through the crawl space from the cellar to the tank for a return line.

3. I want to have the sump in the back so that a water change consists of simply turning on a pump that will pump water out of the sump into the drain pipes.....also accessible from the cellar.....and then turning on a pump that will pump freshly mixed saltwater from the storage tank to the sump.

4. Eventually I want to have the whole process automated so that on a regular schedule, old water will be pumped out of the sump and new water will be pumped in. In addition, my regular top offs, dosing, water conditioning, can all be handled from the back of the house.....again....where the freshwater supply is.

Long post but I hope this clarifies what I am trying to do.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:42 AM   #10
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Just a warning, I have had a garbage can fail. I.e. form holes in the sides due to the pressure of the water for long periods of time. This happened when I was cooking rock once. It may have just been a fluke but you never know.
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So why can you not just use a regular sump instead of a trash can? I understand the trash can for water storage, but for the sump? Maybe a rolling cart would be the cheaper and easier approach to your strained back? I understand how that pain can turn you off to doing the water changes and an automated water change system is a pretty cool idea to get around it however, I still do not see why a trash can sump would be of any real use?
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:57 AM   #12
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Well you guys have convinced me. Looks like I will be going with the rubbermaid stock tank idea. One added advantage is that the stock tank has a screw on drain hole on the bottom of it.
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