The Rebuild Begins!!! - Page 12

Geoff · 01-24-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tdwyatt

BTW, GEoff, don't do like I did and put together a stand and light combination (fixed) only to discover that when you put the styrofoam under the tank, it increases the height of the installation by 3/4 of an inch...

I ended up installing the tank WITHOUT the styrofoam...

which brings me to another question.

i know placing styrofoam under flat bottomed tanks is recomended. i have a framed tank. will the tank not walk itself off of the foam over time. the tank is not contained in a stand. what about cutting large styrofoam plates that fit in the open areas between the frames. the styrofoam would be supporting the bottom glass completely so that the frame would actually be slightly off of the ground. or just leave it without the styrofoam again. i am leaning towards the styrofoam only because it will give me an extra 1/4" of play on the plumbing.

G~

tdwyatt · 01-24-2006, 02:59 PM

Using the pink styrfoam sheathing under the tanks has never been an issue with "walking," and I would not perceive this to be an issue unless you are rocking the tank on top of the styro...

In regards to placing the styro9 as blockes under the tank, THAT might be an issue with settling or walking, such that I think it would be better to place a solid sheet under the tank rather than strips. Looking at pieces after having been under tanks for years doe not show enough compression of the spaces under the flat sections (unside the framed areas of the base) to demo much in terms of contact with the flat paynes, Besides, if there is pressure on the glass from one side due to wawter, rock and sand, why would you not want some evenly distributed reverse pressure to support these? The tank QIS ingineered to support most of its weight on the edges, but then again, most tanks don't have 5-800 lbs of weight supported directly on the paines, either.

I would only use the styrofoam to average out any unlevelness in your mantle, don't worry about using it for a spacing buffer for the placement of the bulkheads, but DO account for the space if you're going to use it under the final installation when making your mockup.

tdwyatt · 01-24-2006, 03:00 PM

btw, what is your schedule like over the next weekend or two?

Geoff · 01-24-2006, 07:28 PM

it just seems that if i were to cut the styrofoam exactly the same size as the tank bottom, it could compress on the outside edge and cause sloping. it just seems that it could start to slide off of these slopes and badness could happen. it was fine before, but there were some small gaps along the edge that i would like to even out.

schedule, well lets see.

i think i have all of pieces now to truely mock up the big pipes. hopefully by the end of the week i will be able to create the template for the back. i would love to get enough done to drill the holes, but not holding my breath.

the weekend after i am able to drill the tank i would like to start on the epoxy bottom and concrete LR. give the tank a week or so to stress test. i will be doing a form for the epoxy bottom so that the tank can stress test on its own.

at some point i will have made a decision on the water heater.

G~

tdwyatt · 01-24-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff

it just seems that if i were to cut the styrofoam exactly the same size as the tank bottom, it could compress on the outside edge and cause sloping. it just seems that it could start to slide off of these slopes and badness could happen. it was fine before, but there were some small gaps along the edge that i would like to even out.

I cut mine abut 5mm larger all the way around than the base of the tank, never had issues with them, it would be good to make it just a bit larger than the base just for this reason...

I'm trying to figure out what my schedule should be based on your schedule...

Geoff · 01-24-2006, 09:41 PM

i can kinda do that. the two back corners have to be cut clean to the tank corners. here the tank butts up against the wall. do not have any leeway there. for the rest of the tank i guess i could do that fairly easily. then i could just dado out the styrofoam overflap for the trim pieces. that should work.

now i have to figure out when i can steal the mini-van. it is my 4X8 sheet hauler.

if some weekends are better than others, i could always start on the concrete/LR. that needs plenty of time to cure. it is not as though i do not have enough things to do here.

Zac- i have a couple + sticks of the marine epoxy. i will bring it all just in case.

G~

three90s&125sump · 01-25-2006, 12:22 PM

You got any pics of the styrofoam yet?

Geoff · 01-25-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by three90s&125sump

You got any pics of the styrofoam yet?

no, but here is a pic of the Blarney stone.

G~

tims · 01-25-2006, 02:50 PM

I REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!

hehe that was a blast hanging upside down

three90s&125sump · 01-25-2006, 03:13 PM

I don't understand whats going on there.

Geoff · 01-25-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by three90s&125sump

I don't understand whats going on there.

since i did not have a pic of some styrofoam i was trying to appease you with some other pic. so i just picked the Blarney stone, completely randomly, Tims just happened to have been there before so he was all over it.

G~

tdwyatt · 01-25-2006, 11:49 PM

I figured that was a picture of the rebar in the retaining wall in your basement...

Doug1 · 01-26-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tdwyatt

I figured that was a picture of the rebar in the retaining wall in your basement...

See if ye had drank all your Guiness ye's a known

three90s&125sump · 01-26-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff

since i did not have a pic of some styrofoam i was trying to appease you with some other pic. so i just picked the Blarney stone, completely randomly, Tims just happened to have been there before so he was all over it.

G~

LoL, Geoff, I knew that, what I didn't know didn't know was that the Blarney Stone looked like that. We have a Blarney Pub here and it looks like the rock but with urine all over it so...

We also have a crack smokin Blarney the Dinosaur. But his beer gut is getting to big so he just sits in the pub all the time, and you wouldn't want to kiss him either.

Geoff · 01-26-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by three90s&125sump

LoL, Geoff, I knew that, what I didn't know didn't know was that the Blarney Stone looked like that. We have a Blarney Pub here and it looks like the rock but with urine all over it so...

We also have a crack smokin Blarney the Dinosaur. But his beer gut is getting to big so he just sits in the pub all the time, and you wouldn't want to kiss him either.

before Blarney castle became a true/locked tourest spot. it was like anything else in Ireland. completely open to anybody walking by. so the natives used to pee on it just for laughs knowing that some outsider would be kissing it the next day.

now it is locked up so the risks are much less.

BTW- the correct way to kiss the Blarney stone is to have somebody grab your ankles. you climb over the wall and kiss the stone from the outside of the castle!!

needless to say that is not how it is done now. that would be a good 50' drop onto your head if your buddy decided to let go of your ankles.

how it is done now: you lay down on your back. that is what the padding is for in the lower part of the pic. you then grab the rebar with both hands upside down. you then lay way back and kiss the stone.

there is somebody there to steady you. there is a steel grate underneath you to keep you from falling, but it will still hurt hitting that grate.

G~