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Old 10-24-2004, 02:56 AM   #1
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the planning stages...getting started


Hi Folks.
Hey, in 6.5 months I will be able to get my 300g out of long-term storage and begin what I have dreamt of for years....a large marine aquarium. As some of you may remember, my previous experience was with fresh water cichlids. Since I am starting over, I really only have the large acrylic tank and a custom stand/hood.....no other peripheries.

So at this point I am drawing and planning what to buy and how to engineer the whole thing. Yes, I am anal. But I want to do it right....you know: measure twice, cut once, that sort of philosophy.

I know everything depends on what I ultimately want in the tank. Right now I am planning on starting with FOWLR, but I want to set up for the eventuality of growing into a full-fledged reef tank. It's inevitable.

So with all that given, here are my plans and questions:

I plan to drill 6 holes into the back of my tank, spread in two rows of 3, evenly across the back. This are for the circulation pump...3 in, 3 out. For a 300g, what size circ pump would I need? Any sort of nozzle/deflectors/directors for the water going back in?

From the overflow box, which I will have to build, I will split the outflow between a 'fuge and a protein skimmer (which itself discharges into the 'fuge as well). I plan to have an old 100g glass tank as my 'fuge. What size skimmer do I need? Am I putting it in the right spot?

For the main pump, taking water from the 'fuge back into the top of the display tank, what size pump will I need? Also, I now understand that I need to plumb a small line into the overflow box from the mainpump return, right at the nozzle to provide a vacuum break in the event of a catastrophe. Does this make sense?

In the 'fuge, I plan to split the tank into 3 sections, the middle and largest portion (90% of the tank) being a DSB w/LR and culurpa and whatever else. Both end sections being baffled/walled off from the middle for both water into and discharge from the 'fuge, plus heater, etc.... Does this make sense and will it work?

I have toyed with the idea of DSP in the display tank, primarily because I wanted jawfish and other burrowers, but I may shy away from that and just use enough sand to hide the LR supports. What do you think of that?

Are 3 inlets from the circ pump enough, in addition to the 2 on top from the main pump? That makes 5 sources of waterflow: 2 onto the surface and 3 into the middle of the water column. Is this about right?

I plan to have auto water inlet via a float valve into the 'fuge. My question about this is 1) how low or high to set the valve, and from what source is best.....I'm not a big fan of RO as it is very wasteful....but neither do I want to schlep water from my LFS. Ideas?

I also plan to have a calc drip of some sort into the 'fuge. Is this the right place for it?

I know next to nothing about lights, but my current hood is not ventilated and probably not high enogh for with the light requirements I think I will need. Ideas?

Lastly, what type of automated controller systems do you recommend for such a set up?

(I know I have more questions, but this should keep you busy for a while. Thank you in advance.)

Mike
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Old 10-24-2004, 08:06 AM   #2
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well a few suggestions are:
the is an 8/4 way device (for water circuletion) you may want to look in to....

the main pump will depend on the overflow (needs to keep up with ,not exceed the abillaty of)..........

the fuge is a matter of prefferenc but i would put the 90% part all the way to one side and the skimmer and drain lines on the opposing side and the center section be the returne, this way you can keep the flow of the fuge much slower,T off the drain line for the fuge to fed by.......

i am not 100% sure on this but i believe you need to skimm before the fuge not after, so the set up mentioned wouldn't be skimming any of the water that enters fuge......

an RO/DI is ABSOLLUTLY needed in salt water, way to many bad things in our water theese days.......

well hope this helps a little and i am sure other will chime in soon hey Mpfiaman is in the process of setting up to large tanks (240 & 340) so he can tell you alot more than i..........good luck and welcome to the world of salt......
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Old 10-24-2004, 09:40 AM   #3
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Good idea on the planning.always the best to go..

maybe think of a CLS for two of your holes. ( closed loop system) you can get away with a smaller pump for that and get some really nice watter movement.

i agree the skimmer should be int eh froont of the sunp / refuge area.. this you can get out as many Tiny bubbles before hittting the main tank.
making a canopy that gives you lots of room under it to work is very good. since you said that down the road you want to go witha full reef, you will want MH lighting, FOWLR does not need this, so make or buy one with MH in mind..
as far as the pumps go . i am not very fimialr with all of them..
since your tanks were in storage for a bit, might want to do a leak check ( just in case)
useing Sand to hide the LR supports sounds good.this sound be a nice set up when you are all done with it..you many want to look at the sponsors here for skimmers, you can get a pretty good price that way. I nkow they cost, but that is not an area you want to go cheap on.. if you look in the DYI area here you will also see how to make you own if you like to make things!

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Old 10-24-2004, 12:35 PM   #4
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Wohoooooooooooooo Mike 6.5 months aint too long at all good to see ya back on line. Hope to see ya soon



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Old 10-25-2004, 06:33 AM   #5
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Thanks guys. Great confirmation. I'll mod my drawings.

The circ pump would be a closed loop yes, sorry for to stating that.

And I am a bit confused about your suggestion about putting the skimmer "in front" of the refugium. Currently in the design, I have it parallel to the refugium (taking one of two feeds from the overflow box), dumping into the refugium. Is this not correct? Please clarify.

Jeff, looking forward to seeing ya in the Spring. You still over in Kitsap Co.?
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Sorry missed that, that should be fine. you want it farest from the uptake to the tank..
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Good to see you, Mike!

Looks like you are well on your way to having a great set-up. Not much longer and you'll be able to get it running. Where are you at these days?
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Old 10-27-2004, 03:07 AM   #9
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Thank you, yousuredo.

Alice, hello, long time no chat. I'm still on the island of Guam...had the joy of visiting Saipain, Tinian, Yap and Palau....all great places. Missed Chuk.

I am finally retiring from the Navy in the Spring, and will be back home around then, shortly thereafter I'll get all my goodies out of storage and start spending tons of money in the LFS's in Kitsap Co (Jeff's stomping ground) and also this one I had found in Issaquah before I left, as well as online stores advertised here on TRT....

I really did not get equipment recommendations in this thread as I had hoped....sizes and types, etc... But since I last posted here last year I see the site has improved greatly and now there are dedicated sections that pertain to equipment, etc...so I will be able to get the expertise I was looking for.

Glad to see you are still around....hope to meet you someday. Does PNWMAS still meet regularly? This Krux fella is new since I last posted.

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Here are a couple of links that I think are great, well thoughtout designs - maybe you can use something form them. In a 300 I would think that you will need a lot of flow, and as mentioned a CL is the way to go, but which way?
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=371622

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=236668 and
of course http://www.oregonreef.com/
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