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Old 08-29-2004, 02:18 AM   #1
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Question

the best baseball movie....


Okay, its time to put the controversy to rest. By all standards, above all other movies, the best baseball movie of all has this quote in it, "you see lonestar....evil will always triumph because good is dumb"

Anyways, alot of you all are talking about salt mixes? Now, the guy in the aquarium shop says I should get his water in these 5 gallon buckets??? He said that salt mixes arent good because something about the tap water? What would you all recommend?

Well, anyways, I was looking around at some of you guys' tanks. I feel so little now. Some of you guys have really colorful tanks. I hope my tank turns out to have that purple algae growing on it. That stuff looks good. I guess I got a lot to learn, but I think I can handle it.
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Old 08-29-2004, 03:52 AM   #2
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Everyone starts somewhere, and believe me it took a long time to get most of the tanks looking the way you see them here...Natural seawater is the best, if thats what he is selling, provided you can get it cheap enough to justify it.
What he is refferring to in tap water is a host of bad things, but mainly phosphates. RO/DI water is the way around it, and he may want to sell you water he has filtered (RO/DI) and then added a salt mix to it, or to buy RO/DI directly from him and mix yourself.
The other great people here at TRT will delve into that in more detail for you, as i have only ever used natural salt water.

But im surrounded by the stuff

Try searching for old threads on RO/DI and you should find a fair few previous discussions on the subject...
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:57 AM   #3
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95% of marine tanks are set up and maintained using synthetic salt mixes. In general most people find it cheaper and more convenient in the long run rather than depending on a store to purchase water from. It is also very convenient when you find the sudden need for a water change at 8:00 pm on saturday night not to have to go to the store to get 5 gallons of water. If you have truly bad tap water (you can get pretty good analysis of it by calling the water supply source in the city you live in - post results and I am certain somebody here can tell you if it is complete unuseable - better yet find a local reef club and poll the members there) you may need to get an ro/di unit at some point but will probably be ok for the start-up. Use a quality dechlorinator - I like Amquel brand . The method I would recommend for you with a 40 gallon tank would be to get 2 10 gallon plastic containers. Label one for topoff water and one for saltwater. Fill them with water and a small powerhead. Use amquel (there are probably other good products available - I am saying amquel simply because I have used it many times and it is a quality product IMO) to eliminate chlorine/ammonia/chloramine etc and let aerate for a day. Add salt to one of the containers to appropriate salinity (I will not even attempt to tell you which salt is best - everybody has an opinion on it - IMO any salt mix that has been available for a long time must work or it would have gone out of business by now - I use Instant Ocean). It is preferable to let the newly made salt water aerate with powerhead for 24-48 hours prior to using it. It is probably sacreligeuos to say this here but IMO unless you are haveing real phoshate induced algae problems or are running a very sensitive SPS tank (which you won't be with lighting you have) you most likely can manage with dechlorinated tap water quite easily. Particularly for the next 2 months or so as you cycle / cure liverock. If you have to purchase water for the curing/cycling process it will get expensive very quickly. It takes 10 minutes to mix up a container of saltwater and you just let it sit in a clost till you need it. I have a routine on sunday morning - that I will start in the next hour or two. It is a little more involved because I deal with a larger quanity of water but the process is the same....

Saturday night I plug heater into 40 gallon rubbermaid container with 25 gallons premixed saltwater in it.
Sunday morning before lights come on in tank bring container into tank. Bring extra empty container in as well.
Top off with freshwater.
Blow off liverock with turkey baster ( I have a DSB and blowing with powerhead makes a mess)
Turn off all electric to tanks ( makes me feel better and easier than unplugging every pump individually)
Siphon out 15-20 gallons water from display with natural syphon , then balance of 25 gallons from bottom of sump to get out accumulated sediment
Use mag7 to add 25 gallons of premixed saltwater back into display.
Clean skimmer and empty skimmer overflow.
Dump old water.(if you dump directly on lawn repeatedly it helps eliminate other required sunday chores like mowing grass )
Fill now empty saltwater mixing container with 25 gallons of water , add amquel and take back to storage closet, plug in powerhead.
Make 15 gallons additional water (fresh) to use for topoffs during week.
Clean up any little spills or drips that occurred (using caution to make sure if you use the good towels to be done before wife wakes up)
Under an hour a week for 90% of basic maintenance on 200 gallon total capapacity system. BTW - I do have an RO/DI unit but since I have never really had a problem with algae I do not use it regularly (I don't like throwing away 100 gallons of water to get 25gallons)

For your particular situation you will want to be able to do 10-20 gallon water changes daily for the fitst 3-5 days as you cure liverock so plan accordingly!
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Old 08-29-2004, 08:43 AM   #4
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Hi Reefworried,

Morro Bay is a great place. Did they open Virg's up again for cod fishing?

I bought a RO system which hangs on the wall in the laundry room. There is a tee from the cold water supply to the washer that splits off water to the RO which collects in a big rubbermaid tub. Just add salt and mix it up with a powerhead or a Rio you don't trust for your tank and let it sit overnight. Hauling water gets old really fast.

This is also handy to make the fresh make up water for evaporation losses. You need good water for that as well and at Noob Manor that is five gallons a day for the three tanks.
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Old 08-29-2004, 09:44 AM   #5
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Ditto, a RO/DI is probably one one best things you could get for yourself.
(the RO for drinking/cooking is a good perc if you need to sell it to a better half)
Like was mentioned b4, do a search on salt mixes here, to get a feel on what people are using,, and remember to stick with one brand, and lot of problems have occured by someone switching to a different brand and goofing up the tank's water make-up,,,
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Old 08-29-2004, 09:58 AM   #6
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and on the waste water, use this to fill the wash tub for laundry and to water the garden. I make around 15 gal a day average plus the weekend water changes, I have enough water waste to keep my gardens lush even in the worst summers, and I do use it occasionally to wash with, but it is a hassle to do ('cuz you don't want the washroom flooded... ...again... )




btw, did I tell you that every aquarist should own a wet/dry vaccuum???



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Old 08-29-2004, 11:37 AM   #7
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cool, you know where morro bay is? I am actually from LA area, but I am up here going to school. I really like this area because it is nice and easygoing. Not crowded, I live like 2 blocks from the ocean where I go out all the time and surf. I don't even want to move back! Virgs landing is still here. I actually went to the thai boat the other day to eat some spicy thai food. The only downside is that there has been a few great white shark sightings near my house, so Im a little sketchy when I paddle out. Hey, what are the odds of me putting a great white in my tank?
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