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Old 06-13-2008, 11:55 PM   #1
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Tap Water and Conditioner


I think this might have been better off in the Think Tank but wasn't sure so it is here so it gets more exposure.

If you take tap water and treat it with tap water conditioner to neutralize the chloramine, is the resulting compound one that a skimmer would pull out?

Not sure what got me to thinking about it but it made me wonder.
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:59 PM   #2
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I don;t think so
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Old 06-14-2008, 12:00 AM   #3
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I don't think it is either or people would be using tap water and conditioner with a big skimmer. Just something I am curious about.
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I have no idea why but skimmers don't work in FW at least thats what I have read
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Old 06-14-2008, 12:04 AM   #5
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I have no idea why but skimmers don't work in FW at least thats what I have read
It's because the bubbles collapse too fast and can't form properly. Something to do with surface tension and salt.

I was wondering about water + water conditioner + salt + skimmer.
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Oh sorry that should work then I thought you were asking about just conditioned tap water - It's late
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They do have fresh water skimmers... Never researched them much, but our skimmers are downsized units adapted from the waste water industry. You can get foam fractioners for pond use and such. But yes, our downsized, modified skimmers no worky so well in da fresh water
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Wow. I searched for it to see what I could find for a FW skimmer:

http://www.swelluk.com/koi-carp/koi-...ioner-645.html

I didn't know they made/sold them for ponds though.
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i dont think it would work i think that the skimmer wouldnt pull it out and it would just sit /stay in the tank
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I think that if it worked, people would be doing it. I can't possibly be the first person that has ever thought about it. I may have to try it when I get a place to try it. Right now, in an apartment, doesn't give much "tinkering" room. I think the hardest part would be finding a chloramine tester.
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I think that if it worked, people would be doing it. I can't possibly be the first person that has ever thought about it. I may have to try it when I get a place to try it. Right now, in an apartment, doesn't give much "tinkering" room. I think the hardest part would be finding a chloramine tester.
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Randy, I am trying to follow your line of thinking here.

Are you talking about taking tap water, adding conditioner to it, then adding straight NaCL, and attempting to use that for testing your skimmer?

If so, it sounds like it might be a way to save money on using salt mix, and running your RO/DI, if you are not going to be putting that water into the system anywhere. I guess a major question would be how much salt would you need to get to the desired specific gravity and how much of a cost savings would it actually be.

Of course, the only way to tell for sure if it is going to work or not is to try it. Who knows, you may actually be onto something that could be benenficial for testing skimmers here. After all, I wonder who the first person was that said if I blow a lot of air into this raw sewage water it will cause all of the nasty stuff to rise to the surface so I can start pulling it out?
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I have no idea why but skimmers don't work in FW at least thats what I have read

I use to have emerald green puffer's in a FW tank but the water was in the brackish area. The salt content was very low but I had problems with the fish getting fungus and the guy at the LFS suggested a protein skimmer and I took him up on it and it worked. It would take the cup about 3 weeks to fill up. Again its not really FW but its pretty close to it.
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I think this might have been better off in the Think Tank but wasn't sure so it is here so it gets more exposure.

If you take tap water and treat it with tap water conditioner to neutralize the chloramine, is the resulting compound one that a skimmer would pull out?

Not sure what got me to thinking about it but it made me wonder.
My question is why? Considering this as an option instead of an RO/DI unit? If so its not such a good idea IMO. After a hile the money on conditioner would become greater than a good RO/DI unit, it would be a less efective and more time consuming alternative and why not just get a good RO/DI and start right? There is more to tap water than the chloramine. Municipalities add several compounds to tap water (some of which are exactly what we try to remove)
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Of course all of the above is based on me understanding that you are looking at alternative ways to preping water as opposed to purchasing an RO/DI unit. If thats not the point then disregard
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Old 06-14-2008, 05:37 PM   #15
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Randy, I am trying to follow your line of thinking here.

Are you talking about taking tap water, adding conditioner to it, then adding straight NaCL, and attempting to use that for testing your skimmer?

If so, it sounds like it might be a way to save money on using salt mix, and running your RO/DI, if you are not going to be putting that water into the system anywhere. I guess a major question would be how much salt would you need to get to the desired specific gravity and how much of a cost savings would it actually be.

Of course, the only way to tell for sure if it is going to work or not is to try it. Who knows, you may actually be onto something that could be benenficial for testing skimmers here. After all, I wonder who the first person was that said if I blow a lot of air into this raw sewage water it will cause all of the nasty stuff to rise to the surface so I can start pulling it out?
Mostly, my brain on overload at 3am. I was looking at my 120 last night and it has a scum film on it. It just sits. I put my skimmer pump in it and started noticing the foaming action and it got me to wondering and curious.

As for skimmer testing, I have two potential sources for testing water. The LFS close to me does system maintenance on tuesdays. Try to work something out with him to get the changed water. Or, simply go to the jetties and pick up water. Not sure my Envoy would pull 9000 pounds on my trailer though. I have had 6,000 pounds on it and it is one scary ride.

The skimmer testing I have a month or two to keep working on it. I have an appointment Monday with the real estate agent to start finding me a house to move into. Then, I will have tinker room. Right now, its all research.
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