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Old 03-01-2005, 08:34 PM   #1
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Tank Problem HELP


I was just wondering what I could do to stop my fish from scratching. I thought it was ich, but I there was hardly any on only a couple of my fish. I tried the whole copper thing, but my fish are still scratching up against the rocks, particularly my Humu Picasso and my Lunar Wrasse. What else can I do to get them to stop?
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Old 03-01-2005, 08:40 PM   #2
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Tried the copper thing... please specify.

Do you see any symptoms?

What are your tank parameters, size of tank, how long has it been up and running, and how long have you had the fish?

More info please, and perhaps we can help.

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Old 03-01-2005, 08:52 PM   #3
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I am sorry, I don't know the specific parameters of the tank, a really good friend of mine from highschool is a manager of a saltwater fish store and he tests everything for me, and I went to him, he tested everything (ph, ammonia,nitrite, nitrate, salinity, and a couple others, I can't remember) and he said it was all fine. I know that is a little vague, but that is all I really know about the parameters. It is a 55g tank, it has been up and running for almost a half a year now. I used, and continue to use, RO water for all of my water needs, whether it is changes or anything else. I have had the Picasso for about 2 or 3 weeks and the Lunar Wrasse for about 2 months. Again, I can't really elaborate on the copper thing, I don't really know much. My friend that is the manager came by my house and he thought it was possibly ich, so he gave me some Copper treatment stuff. Again, I don't know exactly what it was but it was the copper stuff that you put in the tank to get rid of ich. If that isn't enough information, just let me know, I am really at a loss for what to do, and I want to get someone else's opinion on it. THANKS A BUNCH!
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Old 03-01-2005, 09:25 PM   #4
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How long did you treat with the copper? Your planning to keep the tank a fish only right? You cant add inverts once the tank has been treated with copper.
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Old 03-01-2005, 09:30 PM   #5
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OK, let's back up a bit...

Is this a fish-only tank with artificial decorations and/or dead coral skeletons, or does the tank contain live rock too? If it does contain live rock, I'm afraid copper would have ruined it.

Did you treat the fish in the main tank, or in a hospital tank? Did you (or your friend) test the copper level in the tank, and did you treat for the recommended duration, or was it a one-shot deal?

Copper can be effective, but it's toxic. Toxic to the fishes, as well as parasites. The "trick" is to poison the parasites without poisoning the fish (much). It is imperative, when using copper, to use an accurate test kit to monitor the level of copper in the treatment water. Too much will poison the fish, and too little will be ineffective. It's also important to remove the copper as much as possible, after treatment. I have experience with Seachem Cupramine (I use it occasionally in my store's system), it is effective but not as toxic to the fish as other types, and it's easily removed with either carbon or their companion product, Curprisorb. Polyfilter (brand name) will also remove most forms of copper, as well as other medications. Do NOT re-dose the copper until you test for the current level of copper, as you may end up overdosing and doing more harm than good.

Do you know the brand name of the treatment you used?

Respectfully, as the keeper of the tank, it is your responsibility to educate yourself on proper care. Coming here is a good start So I'm not flaming you... call it gentle encouragement to not rely on your friend quite as much, but rather, inform yourself so you can take care of your creatures properly and avoid problems such as this one. I'd recommend reading, "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist" by Robert Fenner to start.. it's a good book, easy reading and covers most of the topics and issues that you'll encounter. (Lecture mode: off )

Now, back to the problem at hand. You mentioned the Humu is a newer addition, and he appears to be scratching, so it's possible he brought the problem into the tank. Look at him closely and tell us if you see anything on the skin.. bumps, spots, abrasions etc. Look at the fish's eyes - clear or cloudy? Anything that might give us a clue about what is wrong. Are the fish eating well? How much are you feeding them and how often, and what are you feeding them?

You could try some garlic added to the food, it will boost their immune systems, stimulate their appetite and this has anecdotally been shown to help relieve parasitic infestations.

Again.. any more information you can provide will help us to help you

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