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Old 07-15-2002, 08:41 PM   #1
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Suggestions wanted...what to do with client's 30 g with holes in it (long post) ...


Hi all,

Here's one for ya......

Newer client....30 g acrylic. Has an Emperor 280 on it, Eheim Canister 2228, (no skimmer) ~30 lbs LR, double NO lights (fine for the few little softies in it)....lots of cyano, nitrates through the roof LOL

Here's the PROBLEM that I need help with.....

Client bought this tank used, 3+ years ago. Had somebody doing maintenance on it 2 + years ago, but they stopped coming. He had been DIY but no water changes etc.....the tank has an Eheim 2228 canister that was like Pandora's box......nobody has EVER done a thing to it, that anybody can recall (this tank is in his office), not even his old maintenance guy. In fact I don't even think the media was changed when his wife bought the tank from its original owner (betcha Jimmy Hoffa's hiding in there.... )

I did some reading, downloaded a user's manual for this filter, bought new media for it, and was going to take care of that today...well......of course whoever plumbed this tank just rigged it....

The drain to the canister is in the center of the back of the tank, right at the BOTTOM. There is a leaky bulkhead (got a new one coming), with a straight PVC to the dead center of the floor of the tank, a 90 degree elbow pointing UP that had a cruddy intake screen on that. The return is sensibly plumbed in the top right corner of the back of the tank, but they rigged fittings that didn't fit together, and with lots of glue, it sorta worked. Lots of leaky salt creep down the back of the tank.... I had to CUT the fitting at the bulkhead to free it... the bulkhead was toast anyway.... it's 1/2" and I believe the drain is 3/4".

When I went to unclip the canister to go and change the media, the poorly affixed hoses began to leak and I nearly ended up with 30 gallons of water on the floor. After 3 trips to Home Depot to try to cap the thing, and thank God my daughter was there to hold the end of the hose so the entire tank didn't drain on the floor.....it was clear that I couldn't MacGyver it, so I ended up draining the tank and taking the whole thing back to the shop...tank, livestock, rock, and stinky canister filter (peewwwww)

So..........

We have a 30 gallon tank with two holes....what would you do?

Keep in mind that the client will have to approve any changes....the tank is nice but in rough shape and I'm not sure what he wants to spend on it ...if it was me, I'd toss the tank and get another one for that stand but I doubt that is an option....

Here's what I'm thinking, in order of my preference...

A.) Create an overflow box in the center back, and add a sump-- a 10 gallon tank would do this nicely, and put say, a Mag 2.5 to return and a small skimmer. I've got a Sealife 75 that would do nicely. This whole thing would cost over $200. (not including labour)

B.) Create a closed loop using said Mag plumbed in-line and using unions and shut valves so that the pump can be removed and cleaned periodically, without a major catastrophe. This would cost the price of the Mag, and the plumbing bits, all told, under $100. (less labour)

C.) Install new bulkheads, plumb the darned thing up right, and overhaul the canister, and maintain it so it doesn't go biological. This would probably be under $75, and I've already got the media for it.

Option A is the most expensive, and the client's least likely to go for it. Option C is what he's probably going to want...

What would YOU do?

Jenn
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Old 07-15-2002, 08:53 PM   #2
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A or C.....B probably isn't the best option on such a small tank.

And ewww on the canister media not being changed. Can't imagine that water still flowed through the thing. Makes you wonder about people....

You deserve a reward for dealing with that!

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Old 07-15-2002, 08:54 PM   #3
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Personally I would say go with A or B... Or even a combination of A and B...

Should the client be interested in replacing the tank with a new one, let me know. I think that 30 G acrylic would make a good sump for my 110..
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Old 07-15-2002, 08:56 PM   #4
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I'd actually say B or C. B is feasible as long as the loop stays running, I see no problems. Personally, I'd say B, but I'm biased and really like loops .
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Old 07-15-2002, 08:57 PM   #5
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We just measured the stand....methinks that a nice new All-Glass 29 gallon tank with a power filter hang on and a Prizm are in order.... the AGA is 2" shallower but fits the stand...think I can get him to go for it?

The old tank was acrylic but scratched...new tank is glass but it's NEW. I'll call him tomorrow.

For some reason I thought the stand was an odd size...but apparently it's not...

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Old 07-15-2002, 11:05 PM   #6
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If I read the description right, it is essentially a closed loop of sorts
If the client insists on renewing it to woking order as it is now, I suggest adiing a standpipe to the intake to A: get more surface crud and B: limit the ability to drain 30 gals of water should something fail. DEFINATLY install a ball valve to shut it of (water to the filter)
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Go for it Jenn...

Then email me about that old scratched up acrylic thing...
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Put a cap on the hole in the bottom and drill a new hole near the top - use the canister for the loop & occasional media.
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pvc plug for the bottom hole, use the other for the overflow and run it back in over the top. Use a Rubbermaid for the sump. Less than $15.00 US plus whatever your return pump costs...
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I think I would just buy a new tank. Tanks of that size are not expensive, and you wouldn't have to worry about leaks from the patched holes.

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I think I would just buy a new tank...
this would seem to be the least expensive, most value-oriented, most cost effective solution...
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I'll be calling him tomorrow. I've got a 29 AGA in stock that's just right for the stand, and 2" shorter than the old tank. I can re-use his Emperor, and recommend a Prizm, the wood canopy fits nicely and would hide both the skimmer and the Emperor. That makes the system leak-proof and shiny new, as well as more suited to a marine application.

I can offer to sell the Eheim for him for store credit, I gather it's a fairly decent canister, it just needs a good cleaning and new media, which I happen to have in stock now

Don, I'll let you know about the old tank...

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Old 07-17-2002, 04:29 PM   #13
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Jennm, Looks like you have been on this board for awhile. I am pretty new and would like to say that it is refreshing to see a LFS owner( that is what i get buy reading this thread ) use the board to improve on their knowledge. LFS's get such a bad rapp for giving bad advice that you are a refreshing change. Would you mind opening a store in oak harbor washington. If maintained then the emporer with a skimmer should work fine I would think. the eheim is'nt going to hurt anything so I would keep it to.

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Not till she opens one up in the Kansas City area.
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