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Old 12-02-2006, 12:53 PM   #1
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Starting to Research Reef Tanks


Hello:

I am in the early stages of research for reef tanks. I would like to set one up but want to take my time and do it right. I am open to any suggetions or advice. I have had freshwater tanks for over 15 years and am fairly bored of them. I would like to start with a FOWLR tank and turn it into a reef once I get more comfortable. I am starting from scratch. I am looking to start soething in the area of 55 to 65 gal. tank. I know I need live rock (1 to 1.5 lbs per gal.) and need to let it cycle.

ALSO: There are no LFS (45 min. is closest) near me and would have to rely on the internet/mail. Any reliable sites/vendors.

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Old 12-02-2006, 12:56 PM   #2
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Welcome to TRT!!!
for online buing i normally use liveaquaria.com and have been happy w/ em
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Old 12-02-2006, 12:59 PM   #3
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Thanks.

I guess what I am getting at is what do you recommend for the start-up. I don't even own the tank yet.
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Old 12-02-2006, 01:31 PM   #4
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I would start with a 65-75 g tank Salt water fish need more room and 55g are too narrow for good aquascaping most of the time. Look into reef ready tanks with built in overflows and use a sump. A Protein Skimmer and live rock will be all you will need for filtration.
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Old 12-02-2006, 01:32 PM   #5
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Welcome to TRT. : )

I would have to ask what your budget is before really answering that question. You should plan on a sump, and get the biggest skimmer you can fit in there. This will be a one time expense if you do it right the first time. If your long term goal is a reef tank, then there is some money to be saved in the long run by setting it up that way now as far as equipment goes. BUT, at the same time, there can be a considerable cost equipment wise to do it right.

I also imagine that if yuor goal is a reef tank, that you will be adding corals sooner than you think. ; )

If you start with reef safe fish, there is no reason you cant have a reef with some easy to care for corals within 3-4 months. Just keep asking questions, and think everything through : )
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Old 12-02-2006, 01:45 PM   #6
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My budget is fairly flexible.....I would be interested in a reef ready tank and I noticed they are pretty pricey....can you recommend a place to purchase one...
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Old 12-02-2006, 01:58 PM   #7
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Looks like you have a local club if you weren't aware of it. This can be a good place to get livestock and used equipment.

http://www.njreefers.org/

I agree with the tank sizes mentioned. I would go with an 18" deep tank. A 65 or 75 gallon would be great. A 90 is the same footprint as the 75 but keep in mind when deciding on a tank, the taller it is the harder it is to light. I would also go reef ready and run a sump. This gives you the option of much better skimmers.


Do you have any ideas on what type of corals you may want to keep down the road?
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:15 PM   #8
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Go to glasscages.com. They are close to me so no shipping but if you live close to their drop point they will bring your tank to you. You can also order just exactly what you want plus see tanks already made to help you decide. Already plumbed is MUCH better. Look into lights. I guess lights are the single most costly thing you'll buy. Decide where you want to be in a couple of years with the hobby. If your going to go hard core get the best lights you can, they can be used with anything. Not enough light means later you get to buy them again. That's when lights get really $$$$$. I spent $325 on PC's four years ago when I switched from FOWLR going toward reef. Now I need to spend another 6-7 hundred on lights again. Up side is I can use these PC's on a sump or something that I will have to spend more $ on. I guess the short of this is ask question, go slow and think about where you are going several years from now.

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Old 12-02-2006, 05:28 PM   #9
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Welcome aboard, Mr. Fishy, and welcome to the hobby!! w0000000000000000000t!!!

Glad to hear you're going reef ready!!!
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Old 12-02-2006, 05:57 PM   #10
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Alright, im gonna try to cover everything on a very basic level. Your going to have to make some desicsions and ask more specific questions. Its going to be really really long, but i have no life, Here we go:

Situation: as others stated, if your final goal is a reef system, i would start out with a reef system, IMO forget the FOWLR.

Tank: for a beginner i would get a 75 gallon Reef ready(RR) tank. its got enough room for rock placement, flow pattern, and most smaller reef safe inhabitants.

Lighting: for coral, the more lighting the better. if money doesnt pose a restriction, Metal Halides(MH) are the best. You can pretty much keep every photosynthetic coral and clam under them. If your not willing to dish out so much money, T5's or Power Compact(PC) lights are good for most coral, except SPS and clams.

Filtration: in freshwater you probably had mechanical filters but here, most people will tell you forget them. since they trap physical "crap" they can pose a problem in that they hold the waste and let is decompose till it becomes a "nitrate factory" (it continuously releases nitrates into your system and possibly cause algae problems). The most common filtration here at TRT is a full Berlin Method. the Berlin Method is lots of live rock(LR), and a large Protein Skimmer. a protein skimmer is some sort of container, usually a cylinder shape, that produces lots of micro-bubbles inside of it. the bubbles allow stuff to rise up to a collection cup where stuff that we cant even see in our water gets taken out, called skimmate(pretty nasty stuff, youll see).

Sump: since your looking into RR tanks, your going to want a sump. A sump is a tank or other container that goes under your display tank. the gravity feed takes water and pours it into the sump. Your sump is where you would put all your equipment (skimmer, heater, UV sterilizer, anything). You can buy a pre-made sump online but IMO its just as easy and alot cheaper to make your own. All you have to do is get a small tank (for a 75 gallon, a 30 gallon sump is good) and put some ballasts in it to make x number of chambers. each chamber will have its own purpose, whether filtration, refugium, and the return section.

Other equipment:
-since your probably gonna get a RR tank, the gravity feed allows you to get a nice sized return pump. a return pump will go in your sump (it will be in the last chamber) and it will retun you water back up to your display tank. In a reef you want to have at least the entire volume of your tank's water (in a 75 + 30 gallon tank say half-full that would be 90 gallons) turn over at least 10-20 times per hour. That means you want to get a return pump that can handle at least 900 gallons per hour(GPH).

Flow: in a reef you want water flow to feed coral and take away its waste. Each coral has its own flow requirements(and lighting for that matter). for flow you can use simple Power Heads(PH) or a closed loop system(CLS)

Substrate: there are basically 3 different things you can do. You can have a bare-bottom(BB) tank which has no substrate at all, allowing for easier and more effective removal of Detritus(waste). You can have a shallow sand bed(SSB) which is only a few inches deep, you can have a deep sand bed(DSB) which is often used for biological filtration. Different substrates are sand, or crushed coral(CC). your substrate is mostly a matter of opinion, it really doesn't matter what you do.

RO/DI: the water you use is all important. this is why your going to want to get an Reverse Osmosis/De-ionizing(RO/DI) unit to filter your tap water. this works independant of your tank. you make all your water ahead of time with this.

to sum it all up:
-a 75 gallon tank or larger
-a sump
-a good protein skimmer(size respective to size of tank)
-good lighting, MH T5 or PC(also respective to size of tank)
-LR
-a return pump that can do at least 10 times your water volume per hour
-Sand or CC
-water movment in PH's or a CLS
-an RO/DI unit

now then, this was only a list of some of the most basic equipment to set up a reef. theres a ton more things like CA reacters, UV sterilizers, chillers, etc. but the above is pretty much all a beginner wants and needs to set up a tank. As you go you may pick up some other stuff.

The most important thing in reef keeping is...research. before you buy ANYTHING, live or not, ask TRT about it or check it out on other sites.

ps. dont go solely on what i say, everybody has there own opinions on equipment and methods and it is best to hear everybody to make your own descision as to what is best for you (and knowing me i probably forgot to mention a lot of stuff anyway.)
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:22 PM   #11
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Well put on all counts.
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:00 PM   #12
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Mrs fishy, Im from Nj as well..
Where are you located in nj? I know some good reef stores around my area
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:54 PM   #13
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Mrs fishy, Im from Nj as well..
Where are you located in nj? I know some good reef stores around my area
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:00 PM   #14
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scootingblenny, you have cleared up so many acronyms(sp??) for me it is not even funny. I think I will print the tread so I can keep up with you pros!!! Thank you so much....
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