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Old 12-10-2005, 09:16 PM   #1
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starting berlin method


Hi guys I am new to this reef club. My name is Eric and I'm from CT. Anyways I am starting my first reef tank. I have a 20 gallon tall and I built an awesome stand for it. I didnt build the canopy yet but will soon. Anyways I have all the proper equipment for my first tank such as seaclone 100 protein skimmer, 20 lbs of live sand and 20 lbs. of live rock on its way soon. I have a powerful powerhead with that hydor flo which rotates the flow, the heater, test kit, some other things. Though my main question is I am using the berlin method to filter the tank and keep the water quality good, I'm just going to use live rock and a protein skimmer. Is this a good idea or should I add a filter as well???
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:21 PM   #2
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oh yeah and i already have my lighting kit too
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:51 PM   #3
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You gat all you need! LR will provide the biological filtration and the skimmer will pull the disolved solids for you! Youll want to do regul;ar water changes on a weekly or bi-weekly basis to replace trace elements but you should be good!
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:51 PM   #4
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I think the Berlin method is a proven winner...I don't believe you need a filter. Don't forget your water changes!

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Old 12-10-2005, 09:54 PM   #5
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If i just add trace elements will that minimize how frequent i have to do water changes?
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:58 PM   #6
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I would strongly suggest all the time, not just until the cycle is done. You'll be glad you did!
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:59 PM   #7
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And you won't need to add trace elements if you do regular water changes, imo.
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:18 AM   #8
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Are there any negative side effects of having too much trace elements in your tank such a s algae or something?
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Old 12-11-2005, 03:53 AM   #9
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Are there any negative side effects of having too much trace elements in your tank such a s algae or something?
yes, less money in your wallet.

they are not needed. water changes will replace any used up trace elements. water changes are something that needs to be done if you plan on keeping SW tank. do not add anything to the tank that you do not have a test kit for.

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There's more side affects than just an empty wallet too. The whole beauty of a reef tank is equalibrium. Everything in balance. This is the point of the initial cycle, as well as many other cycles that take place in your tank that you'll never see.

Each form of life, thriving and dieing in harmony. Populations reaching a stable number. Elements of life in balanced quantities.

When people say an established tank, that's what they mean. That sponges have started growing, mini-tube worms multiplying, pop populations growing, detrius eating worms thriving, bacteria (other than nitrifying) reaching healthy levels, chemicals reaching appropriate levels, etc.

Additives throw OFF that balance. Adding extra iodine might make your corals color up nicely for a while, but it triggers crustaceans to molt excessively, thus shortening their life span. Whats to say while your corals are coloring up, your pod population isn't dwindling, etc. Or maybe that purple up your adding is helping you get some nice corallin, but is stunting the other benificial algaes needed to keep your tank healthy? etc

I personally feel the alledged visible affects of additives are misleading. The unseen side affects can cause some SERIOUS problems down the road.

Salt mixes are especially formulated to provide near exact quantities of everything you need. Insuring that not only are trace elements replenished, but that they stay just that....TRACE elements.

Regular water changes are the cheapest and easiest way to insure all your chemicals and elements are replenished (with the exception of Calcium and Alk.....Kalkwasser). I personally don't understand why anyone would want to use additives. more money, more bottles to clutter up your area, more routine to remember, etc.

Kalkwasser is the only additive you need. That, and regular water changes are the recipe for success, in my opinion.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:48 AM   #11
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Well thanks guys. I'm gunna take your word for it because I have never done this before and you guys seem to have been in the hobby for some time and probably know what you are talking about. If you've had success with this then thats gunna be my method too. Plus it doesnt sound a lot easier.



thanks about the kalkwasser stuff. I've never heard of it.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:04 AM   #12
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Eric,

The seaclone is not a very good skimmer. It may be rated at 100 gallons but you'll rarly get any skimmate with it. I used one on a 30 gallon and it did not work. I ran it side by side with my excaliber 100 (also rated at 100 gallons), I never got any skimmate with the seaclone and I got lots of skimmate with the excaliber. Something is not right about it. If your not using a sump you'll want to make sure you have alot of surface agitation so you don't get that slimy film on the surface of the water.

Their right about the trace elements, just do some water changes on it, perhaps 2 gallons per month at minimum. You can over do it on water changes too, if your not carfull about perameters of the FSW when you add it to the old SW. I had problems with HA and I was doing water changes like crazy and I couldn't get rid of it. I went from changing 50% per month to changing 10% per month and it went away real fast.

After you get the tank settled and going for a while the only thing you'll really test for besides temp and SG is cal and alk. You may not even test for them if your not having too many corals.

What do you have for lights? What are you gonna keep for animals?
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