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Old 08-02-2001, 01:23 AM   #1
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I'm getting ready to add some more snails to my 55 FOWLR. Currently, 5 or 6 turbo and astrea snails and 3 margarita snails. These guys can't keep up with the algae growth. Oh, FWIW I also have 6 hermits (the reason for the unknown pop. of snails). I was wondering what would be a good choice for glass cleaners and decoration cleaners. The turbos/astreas seem to big to clean the decorations. I have seen bumblebee snails (small, shiny shell w/black & yellow strips). Does anyone have ideas on these, or any other "good" snails?

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Old 08-02-2001, 08:22 AM   #2
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I purchased the Algae Buster package from Pet Warehouse. It's an assortment of many size hermits and snails. I put it in last Wednesday and they cleaned house like there was no tommorrow. I'm surprised they have not unionized by now!
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Old 08-02-2001, 02:31 PM   #3
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Hey there-
I have heard that the bumblebees are NOT reef safe. I have not first hand experience with them.

Check out one of our sponsors, Indo-pacific sea farms, www.ipsf.com for some great captive bred Trocus snails. They are hardy, active and are great glass cleaners. They also have nerites and strombus. Check them out!

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Old 08-02-2001, 07:19 PM   #4
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Hi Kris,

I am by no means an expert, but I did do a lot of research on snails a few months back for my tank. I will share what I found with you and hopefully help

Okay.. I discarded the "package" you can get from a lot of sources because they included a ton of hermits. Now, I do believe that hermits get a bad rap, but I don't want a ton of them anyway. I have about a dozen total in my 120 gallon. 6 scarlets and 6 blue legs. If they snack on the occasional snail, fine. The reef is not a safe place afterall.. and I view snails as I do any other cleaning media, re-cyclable. If a few die off, get eaten, thats fine. Just not wholesale slaughter

That being said.. you have a wide variety to choose from. As Brooke said, the trochus are by far the best munchers out there. I have the tiger/zebra variety and love them. They are attractive too. They run between 2 and 3 bucks a pop at Indo Pacific or at www.paragonsales.com. I got mine from paragon and had a good experience with them. In a 55, you can look at 12-18 of them to start.

Depending on your substrate, you might want to look at nassarius as well. Nassarius burrow into the sand and eat the protien/detrius left overs. They need sand though, at least an inch. They run about 1 buck a pop and are small so in a 55, look at getting 2 dozen.

Astras/Turbos - These are very common and cheap but also tip over and can be easily preyed upon. Also, if they tip over and you don't right them, they will die and could pollute the tank a bit. Several people here, including me, got a nasty little spike by a rotting turbo. Messy!!! I have had up to 3 turbos in my tank because I needed snails so picked a few up. I am down to 1 now and will not buy anymore. In a reef, they would also run the risk of knocking things over as they are clumbsy. Astreas are not as clumbsy and will spawn too... but they are not as active consuming about 1/5 as much as a trochus.

Margaritas and Mexican Trochus - I have a few mexicans in my tank and they seem to do well. They don't eat as much as the Tiger/Zebra's but they can flip over on their own so they are fine in my opinion too. I have heard good things about margaritas, being productive and attractive. No personal experience though.

Ceriths - No personal experience, but have heard good things about them too.

So bottom line here.. go with a mix.. Tiger/Zebras, Nassarius, Ceriths, Margartias and you should have a great crew going. Throw in a few Hermits for variety and activity and amusement. They can be fun to watch. A few of mine do nose dives off the rocks to get to the sandbed on occasion. Its pretty funny to see. Expect them to snack on your snails from time to time though. I feel that they are less likely to go after the trochus since they move fast and can get away from them. No idea how ceriths and margartas do with them though. Again.. expect a few snacks and you won't get pissed.

As far as the bumble bees.. I have seen them and heard a few comments about them. As Brooke mentioned they are not reef safe, but should be okay in a FOWLR, but I would do more research on it if i were you. They are cute though. Might want to ask Dr. Ron about them to see.

Stocking tactic - Buy the minimum you think you will need, maybe 24 max of algae eaters and 12 or more of the detrius eaters and then work up from there. You don't want to starve them.. but want to get a good balance.

Almost forgot.. acclimation. Snails are very sensitive to salinity changes. Make sure you acclimate them slowly over a few hours before dropping them in your tank, especially if you mail order. Also, if you handle them, watch how you do it. You can harm them by yanking them off the glass or rocks. Someone once told me that if you pull them off too hard, stretching them, you can damage their internal organs and kill them. Simply grab the shell and twist gently back and forth until they release their foot. If they don't, just wait until they are on the sand or something.

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Old 08-02-2001, 09:42 PM   #5
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Kris,
My opinions and experience are quite similar to Dave's. The "Crash of '99" in my 55 was caused by a huge Turbo that got stuck, unseen, in a crevice in the rocks where the hermits couldn't get to him. The resulting Ammonia spike took my Threadfin Watchman Goby; all my snails; most of my hermits and ultimately, my Gold Crown Toadstool! There's a lot of meat in those snails!
Tiger Trochus are my favorites. Nassarius, Cerith and Margaritas would round out a good crew.
For what Dr. Shimek says about snails, please read his article on the subject: http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish/li...=&RecordNo=166
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Old 08-02-2001, 09:56 PM   #6
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"Nassarius burrow into the sand and eat the protien/detrius left overs. They need sand though, at least an inch."

Can I use Nassarius snails as janitors even though I have cc unstead of sand???
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Probably so... though I imagine they would not burrow into it, being too large and rough. I would also think they would be fine with CC but I am not sure since I have sand. I will check on the "other" place and see if anyone says anything about that. I really love the nassarius, at feeding time they rise up out of the sand like zombies in Night of the Living Dead.. its really cool! I'll post here if I find anything on the CC question.

Well, I found a few posts about CC and Nassarius, nothing specifically asking if its okay to have them together, but a few people said they did. Guess that says that it can work. I imagine they would ok anyway, if anything they could hide out in rock or something.

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Old 08-03-2001, 12:09 AM   #8
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Thank you everyone,

I have a few margaritta snails, and I love them. They can get into places that my other snails cannot. Though they do rarely fall prey to the hermits.

I was at the LFS yesterday and did see nassarius snails burrowing into CC.

FWIW, I have found that the hermits are less aggressive if they are given seaweed once a week. I normally let my grazers eat most of it, then drop the clip to the bottom. Since I have started this, my hermits have not attacked a snail. However, its only been a couple of weeks, so I'll keep an eye on it.

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Only three snails I would buy, first and foremost the trochus, then the nassarius and ceriths. They do great work.
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Old 08-03-2001, 09:57 AM   #10
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Bumblebee snails are fine. they act like nassarius snails only they stay on the rocks. I've had a dozen for close to 2 years, still have most. If you read closely the Dr. Ron messages about them, he says that they may eat tiny worms on the rocks...not a problem.

They look good and will scavenge food that gets caught up in the rocks. I wouldn't think twice about getting more.

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Old 08-03-2001, 05:43 PM   #11
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Hi Kris,

I posted a message to Dr Ron last night and got a response from him.. here it is.

Re: Nassarius and CC

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Hi,

Someone asked me if Nassarius and CC is an okay combination. Would the CC be too coarse for them to burrow down into or will they do fine with it??

It is too coarse. They will die in it.


They might be okay short term, like the ones you saw, but it sounds like they won't make it longer term.
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