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Old 09-18-2009, 05:21 PM   #1
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Smashing my head against wall... Mantis in sump HELP (pics)


So I ordered some Amhipods and copepods from this place called reefs2go. I had never heard any experiences from them good bad or indifferent. They were running a special 1000 BOGO for $25. So I thought I would try. What arrived was questionable. Hand tied bags with blue filter media pieces in it. Against my better judgement I placed it in the sump. Big mistake I think.
I have been observing the sump for life the kids love to watch the little things and I thought I swear I thought I saw something that looked like a small brown mantis. Now when I say small I mean 1/8 inch or smaller. I saw it for a second then it was gone. Today my son asked me why the bugs were piling rocks on the heater in the sump. So after much observation I believe I now have not one but two mantis beasties in my sump. They were very busy moving rocks around so I did my best to get some photos. Tell me what you think. Are they mantis's? The pics are on major zoom but as good as I could get. Should I just leave them be they are in the sump. Should I just change everything in the sump? Can Amphipods and Copepods move rocks around??
I have a ton of cash in my corals and fish up top. What do you think? HELP!!!!
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:22 PM   #2
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:30 PM   #3
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I'm looking as close as I can and I don't see anything that looks like a mantis. Can you scoop it out and get a pic of it on something white? Don't touch it with your hands just in case it is a mantis.
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:40 PM   #4
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These MIGHT be mantis shrimp, but already I have my doubts, as they are not displaying normal behavior for mantis shrimp (the tunnelling activity with moving the substrate). I suspect that they are more likely any number of mantis shrimp-like macro crustaceans that will not get any larger than this. Even if they were mantis shrimp, being in the sump is a good place for them away from your corals an fishes, and even if they were to brood a batch of new mantis, at worst they would get into the tank through the (running) pump impeller for the return pump and end up feeding the tank's fishes.

See the following references that you may find enlightening regarding the benthic mesofaunal creatures (pay special attention to amphopods and copepods from Indonesia and the Australian north coast):

http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiv...r2/biod_7.html

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/reefs/guamimg/index.htm

http://museumvictoria.com.au/crust/page1.html
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:46 PM   #5
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Heres pics marked with what I am looking at. Sorry so small best I could do....
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:50 PM   #7
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"I'm looking as close as I can and I don't see anything that looks like a mantis. Can you scoop it out and get a pic of it on something white? Don't touch it with your hands just in case it is a mantis."

Thinking of sucking them out with the baster if I can. There are two of them moving the rocks together.... Ampipods and copepods dont burrow or move rocks do they? I read the juvenile mantis and Amphipod can appear somewhat similar however the pics up top shows stabers I am almost certain... what do you think?
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Have you contacted Reefs2go to see if they have an ID for it? It they're shipping it out they should know what it is.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:19 PM   #9
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Ya call reefs 2 go. or e mail christina at christina@piece-of-the-reef.com

She works for them. She always helps me out! I love reefs2go
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i have something that looks similar to that ...i thought they were amphipods
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Ampipods and copepods dont burrow or move rocks do they?
yes, they do.

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I read the juvenile mantis and Amphipod can appear somewhat similar however the pics up top shows stabers I am almost certain... what do you think?
By "stabbers," I assume you mean specialized chelipeds, and they are not unique to stomapods (Mantis shrimp). There ae many common copepods and isopods that fit into this blurry photo series, go with what is most likely: I do not think any of these are mantis shrimp for a number of reasons, mostly because I see these common meso-crustaceans in Indonesian rock all the time, and "baby stomapods" are rare:


Corophium acherusicum, harmless to fishes and coral in reef tanks, a non-native to Indonesia transferred there by ship ballast and ship seawater discharge water into harbors when traveling from Europe-- Photo courtesy Museum Victoria-Australia


Ceradocus sillickensis, harmless to fishes and coral in reef tanks, often found in areas under rock or gravel piles or soft, muddy substrate and is conspicuous due to movement and coloration-- Photo courtesy Museum Victoria-Australia


Maera mastersi, harmless to fishes and coral in reef tanks, often found on thick seaweed bunches and in sandy substrates or fine gravel in shllow bays-- Photo courtesy Museum Victoria-Australia


Gammarella berringar, harmless to fishes and coral in reef tanks, often found in sandy sediments near the shore through the continental shelf-- Photo courtesy Museum Victoria-Australia


These VERY common isopods just barely scratch the surface of the HUGE number of different isopods that might fit easily into this blurry photo, have chelapeds that might be mistaken for those of "juvinile mantis shrimp," and are so very common in Pacific tropical-sourced rock. They are harmless to ornamental fishes, and in fact are often food for these fishes. The behavior of these isopods matches what you've described, and they are not unusual under the circumstances, unlike what would be expected for Stomapods, and besidese, why would a shipper send you Stomapods instead of isopods or copepods?

If you work with enough live rock and/or seaweed, you will see thousands of these each month. If you want to see them more, get a red flashlight or cover a normal flashlight lens with red cellophane and watch the front glass of your tank around midnight where the sand meets the glass. These creatures are beneficial for your tank and increase biodiversity as janitors in the benthos: they are nothing for you to worry about.

If it really concerns you, siphon them out, but I feel this will be a waste of both timie and effort. Watch them and see if they grow out to be adult stomapods; even if they do, they are already isolated in your sump from your fishes.

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Check this page here. Does it match the first pic?
http://www.melevsreef.com/id/pods.html
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