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Old 12-13-2010, 09:15 AM   #1
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salt tank crash


I added a new filter, and some water, salt level dropped a bit, then as the day went on fish were working very hard, finally set up a rescue tank using new salt and tap water, I was desperate, fish are alive, my emerald crabs are dead, my feather duster is just fine, and some crabs and snails are doing okay, I think my protien skimmer fialied.. Please help
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:44 AM   #2
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Welcome to TRT!Skimmer wouldn't do that,it sounds like the problem with not keeping your salinity stable and/or water(RO/DI).
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:09 AM   #3
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What kind of filter did you have and what did you replace it with? How much did your salinity fluctuate?
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Old 12-13-2010, 11:40 AM   #4
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Hard to understand the SG dropping. You didn't take aquarium water out and replace with unsalted water did you?
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:55 PM   #5
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I'd start with posting current parameters and comparing to your last tests, if you track them. Something drastic would have changed and if the protein skimmer had a problem, you'd know by the jump in algae, nitrates, and phosphates...sadly, I speak from experience....
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:15 AM   #6
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Ladies and gentlemen....franb46 has left the building.....
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:33 PM   #7
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Hi all. This is fran I lost the thread,,, the update, lost all but three fish, so I am taking my 55 gal down, and will start over. I have had a salt tank for over 6 years and I never had this happen... I added fulval 405 pump, and the sea clone filter color changed to a purple color, no foam, just the plastic changed color.
Re the salt level, it was as low as 10.19 and I got it back up, but too late. I had cleaned out about 3 gallons worth of substrate recently, it was old, so I was low on substrate...
Now here are my questions?

As I rebuild my tank, after reading it looks like I need to keep salt level around 1.025 to 1.027. Add new substrate, going with only sand this time, no crushed coral. How much do I add for a 55 gallon tank?
How long do I wait for the tank to cycle again. I have several live rock that are fine, and three fish.
another incident, was I set up two emergency 10 gal tanks, as I put one live rock into one tank, all the fish died. I think this is either bacterial or a bad rock.


My goal was to go to as biological as possible, had a great cleanup crew,and I think something old and bad in the substrate added to the complexity of the problem. I am heart broken.
I know it will take time to get the tank back up and running. The three little fish are doing fine, I still have a few good live rock.
What is the best temperature for the tank, I usually kept it around 74 to 78?
I never had an opportunity to speak to so many experts... this is wonderful.
My reef octopus skimmer needs a new pump, is there a way to order this, I really liked that skimmer... I do not like the prism and the sea clone is not very good.
I am looking at the coralite brand skimmer.... any suggestions..
It has always been my policy to have a rescue tank ... I am thinking of using a 20 gal tank, any suggestions for substrate amount and I think the sea clone or prism will be adequate for a small tank, for short term use.
fran is back in the building..
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:34 PM   #8
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no I did not, so that was why I was shocked the salt level dropped
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:10 PM   #9
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Sounds to me like there would be more risk of catastrophic problems with a "rescue tank". Even if you kept a second tank clean and ready in case of emergency, it wouldn't have the same parameters as your main tank and you would have to acclimate carefully.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:20 PM   #10
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+1, but if you kept it close with params, it would help the acclimation process...
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:20 AM   #11
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Thanks. I will rebuild my tank.. any suggestions re proper ratio of substrate to gallons. I want to go only with sand this time, I will be adding gobies and bennies
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:08 AM   #12
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Okay well first off, I am guessing you do not measure any chemicals besides salinity? That should start... Nitrates Nitrites and Ammonium are three big things you need to look at. I would call the number for Octopus and talk to them, I would think you can buy a new pump. How much live rock do you have in your tank? You should have about 1.25 lbs per gallon. Try to keep your salinity at 1.024-1.025. When you do do water changes suck up some of the debris at the bottom of your tank. If you watch your parameters at least once a week, you should be fine. I would set aside a time (like 7pm) that you add water to your tank and then maybe on Sundays you do a small water change for the fish and check the levels. Good luck on future endeavors!
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:46 PM   #13
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Another thing that popped out, to me, is the temp. 74 is too low. I keep mine at 79-81 and others may vary slightly but I don't think that much.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:35 PM   #14
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Thank you all. I do have a test kit things happened so fast. I appreciate the guidance
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:10 PM   #15
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ya, i always keep my tank above 76, i keep it 77.3-78.2F

always look when you get a new fish what the temp should be, i was looking last night at the Catalina goby online and thought it was a nice looking fish, but i have been snorkeling in Catalina many times and the water is a lot colder then the reef, so i looked at the suggested temp and it was 60-65F AND "REEF SAFE" now i don't know anyone who keeps their reef at 60-65F so it was a little misleading....

know your livestock and know what they need prefably BEFORE you buy them...
I'm not saying you didn't know, but for your next tank, research before you buy can be a great help in the long fife of your aquarium.
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