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Old 09-01-2009, 11:12 PM   #1
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rubbermaid sumps


i like the idea of making my sump a rubbermaid container..i like the fact that they are depandable and its just going to be easier to do..i like the fact that i can have a bigger sump for cheaper..anyone have any pros or cons about this?let meknow-drew
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:15 PM   #2
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with the curves of a rubbermade tub, how are you going to glue in baffles/diffusers?
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:21 PM   #3
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well apparently they dont need them..or there has to be a way around that..a lot of people use them..good question!-drew
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:22 PM   #4
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I found this little link earlier after reading in the other thread.

http://www.tonmo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6349

Honestly after reading that post it convinced me to just use an aquarium.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:34 PM   #5
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are you reffering to just the microbubbles?
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Old 09-02-2009, 06:13 AM   #6
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You need baffles in the sump, running the sump without them is just one big headache. You don't get a consistant skim due to varying water levels and you get microbubble issues from not having a bubbletrap. Needlewheel skimmers need a maintained waterlevel, as the waterlevel fluctuaes in the container they are in, the bubble tower fluctautes as well. Not to mention, they bow out when they get a decent waterload in them. That has always kinda freaked me out (and why I cooked my rocks in one, but put it in the bath tub to do so )
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:54 AM   #7
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I agree with Tony,you need baffles to keep a constant water levle for the skimmer to work at it's best and for micrbubbles.The plus is there is no seams to go,but you need to brace it so it doesn't bulge like Tony said.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:22 AM   #8
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I get past the need to put baffles in the tub by using a smaller tub inside the main tub. I have a hole drilled into the skimmer tub at 8 inches and the overflow from the tank goes into this tub. The level stays at 8 inches or whatever depth you put the hole.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:55 AM   #9
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Great idea!
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:28 PM   #10
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bowing of the sump is easily solved by the use of a 2x4 frame around the top of the outside of the sump. If need be, you can even put stands under the brace to keep them at the top lip of the sump.

Keep in mind that baffles do not need to be such that they are anything more than runs of acrylic to increase the length of the path that the water runs (so all the sump stays the same level with ATO). Also, baffles may be made from buckets within buckets if space is a premium. Over-and-under baffles force air bubbles (microbubbles from skimmers or overflow lines) nearer the surface to allow the microbubbles to effervese out of the water column, the same is done with a longer water path. Although using over-and-under baffle plates do this withouth length, and allow for steady pool levels for skimmers in-sump, placing skimmers in your sump may void any advantage gained by shortening the lengths of the water paths, so it depends on what you want (in terms of in-sumpor under-tank equipment) and how much linear room you have.

Rubbermaids are cheap and esy to drill, however, a 55 gal tank is just as cheap if you are patient and don't care how they look, and are also easy to drill and work with. I don't use baffles In acrylic tanks, either, for a number of reasons (mainly because they make sump maintenance a byach...), but it becomes aw matter of personal preferences.

I used rubbermaids or similar plactic containers for sumps for many years without problems. The one pictured below required a wood frame to prevent bowing.


I can't say anything because I have 55 gal tanks for sumps now and run all the lines for equipment into another room for the skimmmers, reactors, Ca reactors, etc...
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:09 PM   #11
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thats everybody this has been very informative..so i could the sump in another (slightly bigger)rubbermaid container to prevent bowing?-drew
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Old 09-02-2009, 03:43 PM   #12
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We just picked up a regrind plastic 100 gallon horse stock trough for only 69 bucks at the feed store this weekend. They have all sizes and one of those is going in for my water making setup in the basement.
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phisnoob the container you picked up is a more solid one right?they make rubbermaids that are stronger and wont bow right?-drew
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phisnoob the container you picked up is a more solid one right?they make rubbermaids that are stronger and wont bow right?-drew

Yep the feed troughs are totally solid and won't bow. The plastic is probably a good 1/4" thick, and there is a bunghole (see if that passes the censoring thingy).
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:01 PM   #15
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ha...is it possible to find one that is 20 to 30 gallons?-drew
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