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Old 04-24-2010, 08:30 AM   #1
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Removing Marine Ich from Reef


I have a 55 gallon long tank. I have 45 lbs of live rock in it and I am curing another 45 lbs of Bali Alor in a different container. My tanks had been up and running for 3 moths. I have sand substrate mix I purchased at the pet store. I am running 2 aqua clear 70 filters, I have a sea clone 150 protein skimmer, 2 Koralia # 4 wave makers, lighting I have the new zoo med T5 lighting coral and blue light in it. My cleaning crew are 14 scarlet reef hermits, 24 astrea snails, 2 emerald crabs, 3 horseshoe crabs, 3 serpent stars, 1 coral baned shrimp, 1 arrow crab, 1 tiger sand star and 1 yellow sea cucumber. Water is at 1.25 temperature is at 74.5 0 ammonia, 0 Nitrate, 0 nitrites. I have some small coral in the tanks as well not mounted to the live rock yet. waiting for the Bali Alor to do this. I got a coral beauty Angel fish, followed acclimation instruction and the found the fish to have ich. I treated the fish in a hospital tank without success the fish died. What I would like to know now is how long do I let the tank go without fish to get rid of the Ich? I am new to Saltwater fish and or Reef. I have read a lot of information on using a freshwater bath during acclimation process. Is this a good idea or a bad idea? I am setting up a 28 gallon Nano cube live rock fish to use to quarantine after using a hospital tank for all new fish. I think I will keep all new fish I purchase in this tank for 8 weeks or so. I do not want to get Ich in my 55 gallon tank again. I am reading as much as I can on reef aquariums. I don't have a local source to talk to. We have 1 pet store that just started saltwater fish in my area the nearest place to get fish other this store is 250 miles away.. The owners are just learning about Saltwater fish keeping themselves so not much help there. I hope you all can help me to get healthy fish into my reef without them it just isn't quite the same. I hope I gave all the information you need to help me.
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:01 AM   #2
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you will get many replys on how long to let tank sit to remove ich i just went through the same thing and i left mine alone for 22 days ich hhas a cycle of 14 days but can take as much as 8 weeks look up ich cycle on google for info on that but 22 days worked for me also ich is stress related it was very hard to change water with only inverts left as i wanted more fish that part sucks good luck
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:20 AM   #3
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All fish have ich all the time. It is there stress level that allow the parasites to breed and multiply. A healthy fish has the immune system to fight back the infection if it is not rampant in the tank. Fish can get little white spots that aren't related to ich. The only way to tell if your fish has ich is if it spreads to other fish. The infected fish will be a breeding zone for this infection, and your healthy fish will evenually succomb. People do preventive care by pulling out the first fish with signs of ich. The problem with that logic is by the time you see ich it is wide spread through out the tank, and if it is ich your other fish will get it. The fish that you thought had ich might have blisters from rubbing on the rock or substrate caused by another type of infection. By pulling the fish out you have caused more stress, and possibly it's death. You only have one fish, so it's hard to tell. I would of recommended to leave it in the tank and wait and see. If it got better on it's own add another fish. Ich will show up, then fall off, then show up, then fall off, then you fish is dead. I personally wait to see a couple signs - one, does the ich fall off, and two, does the other fish show signs, before quarantining. Just my oppinion.
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:29 AM   #4
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Ick is one of those things that just happens sometimes. I had an outbreak so I had to buy some special stuff online it ended up costing me around 100.00 cause I had approx. 250 plus gallons of water plus corals to deal with. Needless to say it did not do jack. Neither did my uv sterilizer. So I let nature take it's course and it vanished and my fish survived. I took out my uv and I have not had another breakout since. That was over a year ago. Now I expect a lot of people to disagree with me on this but here goes.
Like what was mentioned ick is from stress, bad conditions from water or bullying. Ick is always around. When the fishes imune system is down that's when it comes around. The reason outbreaks don't happen in the ocean is because it's too much water. If your fish and tank are healthy they will fight off the parasite.In my opinion UV's are a waste and so are the meds.
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:37 AM   #5
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+1 to everything! Oh, and hallelujah!

By your fish from a replicable LFS, do not over populate, watch your compatibility with fish, keep good water params, and you should see rare outbreaks.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:36 PM   #6
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Can I ask how long you have had a reef aquarium? Thanks for the advise. I have read many different posts about Ich. Some state that if you quarantine fish and acclimate them you should never get Ich. I had fresh water fish and bred African Cichlids for the last 25 years I supplied our only fish store with many of the babies I raised. I never had any problems with Ich. I am in the habit of 20 to 25% water changes weekly. I have continued this routine after my reef tank was up for 6 weeks the owner of the fish store said to wait until 6 weeks before I did the water change. I waited 8 weeks before I put anything in the tank except the live rock and substrate. I then added my cleaning crew they are all feeding active and doing their jobs. I didn't have any problems until I added the Coral beauty Angel fish. My hope is that this was a fish that was not in the best condition when I got it. It was only in the fish store 24 hours when I purchased it. The owners were not in so I wasn't able to ask how long they had the fish. I had not been in there for sometime and didn't know what the turn around was on this fish. They have said that will hold all fish for me for at least 14 days before they will sell them. I hope to be able to get some fish in the tank soon, I am willing to wait the 8 weeks if that is what it takes to provide them with a great stable environment. I was very saddened by the fact that I was not able save this fish. I still have in another aquarium several generations later the African Cichlids I started out with. It is my goal to have successful reef aquarium as my fresh aquarium is.I have purchased books on reef aquariums and have spent many hours reading them as well as on the forums looking for good solid advise. Thanks again for you comments. I hope to report soon that new fish are alive active, eating well in a stable environment.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:43 PM   #7
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Thanks for the advise. On the fish that died the meds did not help neither did the freshwater dip that was recommended . How long do you recommend that I wait before adding and new fish to the 55 gallon tank?
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It's hard to say, because you can't be certain it was ich. Because you don't know I would leave it alone for 30 days.
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I would disagree with all fish have ich all the time...

As far as how long to leave a tank fallow, I believe 4 weeks at 78 degrees or higher is about the recommended average. But I have not had ich problems since 2004, so I don't really pay attention to it any more.
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:42 PM   #10
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I would disagree with all fish have ich all the time...

As far as how long to leave a tank fallow, I believe 4 weeks at 78 degrees or higher is about the recommended average. But I have not had ich problems since 2004, so I don't really pay attention to it any more.
2nd that. I would definetly set up a quarintine and dose copper.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:44 AM   #11
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I just purchased a Nono cube to use a quarantine tank. Do you recommend putting treatment in the tank when I add the new fish to this tank a precaution. I purchased instant ocean life guard it is supposed to treat ich velvet and other ailments. It says to put in when you add new fish and use it before any signs of problems occur. use for 5 days has anyone used this product? Can you tell me how you have kept your fish tank from getting Ich? Do you use a hypo saline dip? your help would be appreciated. Thanks for your time
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Old 04-25-2010, 02:30 PM   #12
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I just purchased a Nono cube to use a quarantine tank. Do you recommend putting treatment in the tank when I add the new fish to this tank a precaution. I purchased instant ocean life guard it is supposed to treat ich velvet and other ailments. It says to put in when you add new fish and use it before any signs of problems occur. use for 5 days has anyone used this product? Can you tell me how you have kept your fish tank from getting Ich? Do you use a hypo saline dip? your help would be appreciated. Thanks for your time
Never used that product. But I would add as instructed only in half doses. Sometimes fish are more stressed from the sudden drug in their system than the actual illness. Have you tried a freshwater dip?
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Old 04-25-2010, 06:45 PM   #13
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I have used a freshwater dip but not soon enough. I was wondering if it safe to use a freshwater dip during acclimation process? On the Coral beauty I did the freshwater dip and several flukes did come off the fish. When the flukes came off there were large sores on the fish where they had been,if I had know of the use earlier it may have save the fish. I didn't know about it until I read about it in one of the forum for use when not having a hospital tank or quarantine tank. I have a small hospital tank and I am cycling a quarantine tank now. I won't be purchasing any fish for that tank for 2 or 3 weeks. I want to let the main tank go for 4 weeks or more no fish in it.
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When you first buy a fish, it's under alot of stress from the transaction, it is wise just to quarintine it so you can treat it with medications if need be. The dip would just add to the stress. But once the fish is acclimated to the new surroundings(for about a week) then you could do it, does that make sense? And good idea for letting the tank stay fishless. Parasites, specifically ick, have a life span of 4-6 weeks. So with no host, they will all die out. So just to be sure of the death, wait a 5-6 weeks.
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:30 AM   #15
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The pet store keep their fish tanks 1.022 and 74* is this what I should keep the quarantine tank? the display tank is at 1.025 and 74.5* for the corals. It would be less stress for the fish in the beginning but I would have to acclimate them again before going into the main tank? what advise can you give me on this. You have been very helpful and I have found some good books to read.I purchased the Reef Aquarium Science, Art and Technology by J. Charles Delbeek and Julian Sprung vol. 1-3 . I have Marine Reef Aquarium hand book by Robert J. Goldstien as well. I will wait the 6 weeks as suggested to be safe in the main tank. I am not in any hurry to have to redo it from another mistake. Thanks again for you help
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