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Old 04-13-2001, 07:18 PM   #1
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Removing CC Bed to combat Cyano


I have been battling Cyano now for 6 months and I think I have to give up. I have a 9 year old 45 gallon corber tank with 60 lbs of rock 4" cc bed, 300 watts VHO on an icecap. Params are Ph 8.25, N&N 0, Calcium 500 with a kalk drip, Dkh 11. I used to be a heavy feeder and have not changed any parameters. I have lightened up on the feeding and I cannot stop the SLIME. Should I just give in and remove the crushed coral. I hate to mess with a 9 year old bed but I believe it is a nutrient sink that has just gotten out of hand.

So, should I remove it? If so how can I remove as much of the fauna as possible from it before disposal. I do not relish the thought of a miners hat and tweezers, but hey, anything for my reef

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Old 04-14-2001, 12:38 PM   #2
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Nine years is a long time, I can see why you would be reluctant to change anything on a tried and true system. Is this the first time you've had real trouble with cyano? (Other than just the occasional outbreak)
The old axiom "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind but something's gone awry here.

I'll assume you checked all the obvious; all the ph's in the tank are working, you've got one directed to sweep across the bottom (higher flow makes it harder for they cyano to get a foothold), you're alk levels are good, the lights aren't old. You've already cut back on the feeding. Have you gotten the cyano to clear up at all in the six months and then it's come right back with a vengeance? If that's the case and all the above check out on the mark I think you may be right on the nutrient sink. However, if you've never gotten rid of it entirely for a time maybe you could try an all-out assault on the cyano and see what happens.

I'll also assume you did the blow it off the substrate/syphon it up/waterchange routine. Maybe you could give that one more shot, removing as much as possible and then leave your lights off for two-three days. Keep a good water flow over the substrate during this time and then turn your lights back on and see what happens. If you have a sump or if you don't have critters that would eat it up before it had a chance to do any good, you might want to try cultivating some macro and see if it can outcompete the cyano for some of the nutrients it's feeding on.

I know these are all pretty standard "cyano tactics" but sometimes a review of the obvious can make a connection with something else that might give you some insight. If your tank was a young tank I'd probably say go ahead right away with a substrate change-out but since it's so well established and I'll assume has mostly been trouble free up until now I hesitate to put your tank through the upheaval.

If you do decide to change-out the substrate you might want to "cure" some new sand by putting it in tubs covered with water from your tank's waterchanges. You could then seed it with some of the critters from you current sand bed and change the substrate out slowly. Or just get the new sand nice and populated before you change the whole thing over. Either way, it's going to be a pain but as CC is notorius for ending up as a nutrient sink it might be your only option.

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Old 04-16-2001, 10:24 AM   #3
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Thanks Alice,

All of my parameters are stable for many years. The cyano started when I started with a change in food and a switch to Seachem Reef builder. I switched back but to no avail. I believe that it was just a coincidence. I plan to pre-cure the sand in an old aquarium. I would love to replace it a little ata a time but the piroblem is that my rock sits on top of it and when I start to remove some, i'm affraid that the rock will shift and topple. I'd like to avoid that. I will find out tonight if my permit is approved to build a new house. If it is, I will time the replacement with the tank move.

I think that the cc has just finally gotten to the point where it has become saturated with nutrients and cannot break them down quickly enough. I will syphon the cc in the interim and see if it helps. It will be much easier to comb through a gallon of syphon water and pick out the beasties than it will to go through 75lbs of cc. The rescued beasties will go into a seperate cured, sand tank which will then seed the reef again. I love that circle of life thing.

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Old 04-17-2001, 12:22 AM   #4
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I don't think the sand bed is necessarily the cause of the cyano. I have many different set ups, even bare bottom, and they have all gone through the cyano stages, even with no substrate in the tank at all for some.
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