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Old 10-05-2008, 04:29 PM   #1
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just wondering if any one knows how much and when phyto should be putt in my tank
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:05 PM   #2
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I wouldn't add it at all.
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:12 PM   #3
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I put in a teaspoon a week in our 28g tank but it is dubious if it does anything. Everything is flourishing except the brain that the goby keeps filling with sand on it, but we feed the tank and turn the lights on as well.
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Depends on what your adding phyto for.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:29 PM   #5
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hello all
just wondering if any one knows how much and when phyto should be putt in my tank
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Depends on what your adding phyto for.
Why are you adding phytoplankton? Just curious; assuming you're using it to feed the tank, what do you think is eating it? (I'm not flaming here by any means, just curious about what you think this is doing...)
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:54 AM   #6
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Like others have said (or implied), I find it adds no real value to the setup. I wouldnt recommend using it.
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wasted money just like alot of other products out there
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:57 PM   #8
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:04 PM   #9
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Like others have said (or implied), I find it adds no real value to the setup. I wouldnt recommend using it.
In defense of the products out there, this is not totally true, but it is definitely overused in most systems, and is generally fed with the thought that it is directly consumed by corals (mostly NOT TRUE). Phyto can be a stimulant food for some of the zooplankters in the water column, and they can feed the corals, but as most systems do not have populations of zooplankton that will benefit from the use of phytoplankton, all this does in become a source of nitrate and phosphate to the water column when the phyto dies. It can feed some of the filter feeders in the live rock and some benthic organisms, and they or the gametes produced by these organisms can be fed upon by various genera of corals. However, each specie of coral will have differing size requirements for feeding, and what the tank actually produces then becomes a roll of the dice to determine if the size is appropriate for the specimens you are keeping in your tank. Although phytoplankton may stimulate production of some foods that corals can then predate, it generally is not a food directly used by corals.

Clams on the other hand, will benefit from phyto spp. sized in the vicinity of Nanochlopsis or Isochrysis spp. diameters. Due to the potential for import of algal nutrients when dosing the entire tank, it will be best to target feed small clams rather than dose the entire tank, especially if the biotope you are attempting to emulate includes stony Acroporids or Pocilliporids, where algal nutrients will tend to brown the coral's appearance as the zooxanthellae become fertilized.

Another theoretical use of live phytoplankton would be to reduce available phosphate and nitrate in a system where there is FREE phosphate in the water column (which is usually not the case, as phosphate becomes tied up in organo- and polyphosphate repository forms). Dosing of live phytoplankton in the presence of strong 4000K to 5000K lighting then allows the algae to assimilate these nutrients into the biomass of the algae. The algae then reproduces and takes up nutrients until nutrient levels become a growth-limiting factor for the phytoplankton bloom. The phyto then is then removed from the water column by aggressive wet skimming. I'm not too sure that I would use this method, as it removes a lot of other desirable components of the water column, but it is a possibility.

This is not to construe that I am a promoter of phytoplankton use in coral systems, just that there are legit uses for the products, especially live phyto, in SOME reef systems, especially if you are trying to support a large population of filter feeders that target the phytoplankton-sized particles as food items. Just keep in mind that there can be issues with the injudicious use of phyto.


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Old 10-06-2008, 02:24 PM   #11
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Just keep in mind that there can be issues with the injudicious use of phyto.
A superb response, Tom, as usual. Indeed there are some specific cases where phyto makes for a good solution, but I imagine 99% of users purchase and dose the product based on misconceptions.
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phyto is very important if you are trying to increase your pod population, and as a secondary benefit, it helps chaeto grow in low nutrient tanks. I have had 2 Dragonface Pipefish in my reef tank for over 2 years now. I only dose a couple of drops every other day, though. Usually Nanochlopsis.
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So if you're tank is low nutrient, and chaeto is predominately used as a nutrient export, isnt it foolish to dose phyto for chaeto growth?

Also, do you have any references for pod population and phyto use? I've not seen that correlation before.
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