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Old 10-30-2007, 12:05 AM   #1
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Phosphates


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I tested my water today and i had .5 phosphates. I just got a star fish which is i noticed part of it the color was fading away. How can i reduce them so that my starfish does not die. I bought phosbahn today and put it in my tank. Everything else was fine with my water. Thanks for any help i get.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:10 AM   #2
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Phosbahn should help it. You should see a reduction w/ in 24 hrs. Or there is always the water change thing but it takes longer. Also what type of star is it.....if it just got inthere and you started using Phosbahn it should have little to no effect on it. Sort of like walking into an elevator right after someone farted....It sucks but won't kill you.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:15 AM   #3
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hahaha nice way to put it. its a Red Fromia
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:20 AM   #4
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It should be ok. The levels u have are high but not that high....I'd be more concerned w/ a Favia or Hydnophora in there then that star...
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:37 AM   #5
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looks something like this.


how much of the phosbahn should i have put in? and where should i have placed it? right now i just put it in the display where theres alot of flow to spread it throughout the tank.
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:00 AM   #6
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looks something like this.


how much of the phosbahn should i have put in? and where should i have placed it? right now i just put it in the display where theres alot of flow to spread it throughout the tank.
My tank is a 125 w/ 55 gallon sump/refugium so i run a reactor w/ 3 to 4 cups of Kent phosphate sponge. I change it out once every 3 weeks if I remember. It does not leak back out so.....anyway If it's getting at least the tank volume ran thru it every hour it should be ok. It does work best when water is forced thru it though.

Do u have a sump or filter sock to place it in?
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:06 AM   #7
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I have a media bag that i put it in. and i only have 24gallons of water so im sure its getting atleast double because i put it a few inches infrom of where the a powerhead is.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:30 AM   #8
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how long have you had the star? if only for a few weeks then it could very well be dying from bad acclimation, not neccesarily from you, but from someone before you.

how old is your sand bed?

what kind of skimmer do you have? what kind of skimmate are you removing? do you siphon out detritus whenever you do water changes?

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Old 10-30-2007, 10:00 AM   #9
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I've had the starfish since friday or last week, so about 3 days. My sandbed is about 6 months old , and i dont have a skimmer i just do a 5 gallon water change weekly. Whenever i do do my water change i get a power head and clean off the rocks then siphon it out.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:05 AM   #10
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Starfish vary but many are actually difficult to keep with some taking many hrs to properly acclimate to the tank.
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Do you use a RO/DI filter with your water and top-off water?
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:57 AM   #12
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The issues with the seastar have nothing to do with the phosphate levels (unless they get REALLY high), think more along the lines of what folks have posted in terms of acclimitization or changes in salinity in general.

How do you replace your evaporative losses in the system? This alone may be a telling feature of your system, and unless automated in such a manner that it prevents wide swings in salinity, can be a major cause of Asteriod specimen loss in home aquaria. The issues associated with acclimitization may occur prior to your acquisitiion of your seastar, so there may be nothing you can do at this point, but maintaining a consistant steady salinity is a must for these beautiful echinoderms to survive in closed systems. Thick-bodied Asteroides seastars like Fromia and Linckia spp are very susceptible to changes in salinity. They have evolved in salinity-stable environments and unfortunately, may succumb to unstable environmental change by rupturing their hydrovascular locomotion system, resulting in death of the specimen involved, see THIS THREAD for more info on the Asteroides seastars and their problems with shifting salinity.

As far as how to use the Phosphate reactors, placing about a level measuring tsp of rowawphos (4.2ml) per USG is the recommended dose (250ml GFH per 250 liers total system water), however, I personally drop the dose to a tsp per 5 gal for maintenance with a once every 30 days change of medium, and if you have either new lights or think these may be an issue with photoacclimitization (new specimens, sick acro, etc.), even a remote one, drop the dose to a teaspoon per 10 gal and change it once a week until you see either a drop in nuisance algae or your measurable free phosphate in the water column drops to zero measurable levels. If you have measurable levels of phosphate, it is more likely worse than what you're seeing through the test kits. This is not to say that the actual value of phosphates will be zero, but the drop in nuisance algae should be a good key for your dosing. Using these low doses and changing more often will prevent issues with stony Acroporids and reported tip bleaching, in spite of the fact that it will take longer to drop the phosphates. I would rather deal with siphoning out algae or other growths than deal with bleaching my stonies any day.


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Sort of like walking into an elevator right after someone farted....It sucks but won't kill you.


I agree BTW,.. Both on the fact that that sucks, and the idea that the Phosphate is probably not hurting your starfish. Phosphate is bad news for stony corals but doen't really have an effect on starfsih. however if you top your tank off with fresh water daily that could have an effect,.. Salanity changes are bad news for them.

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Old 10-30-2007, 02:52 PM   #14
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I use R/o to top off. usually about a cup Full. Hopefully it will be fine i just dont want to be the reason for its death. i'll update everyone once i get home. Thanks for all the replies.
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if its a linkia some times they dont do well in captivity
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