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03-10-2001, 07:57 AM
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Little Fishy
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Fargo, ND
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new coral beauty angel being attacked!
I just bought a coral beauty angel and it is being attacked by my Yellow Tang. What am I to do? He now has a battle scar. Will he recover and is this normal since Tangs are very territorial?
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03-10-2001, 08:50 AM
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The new fish needs to find a place to hide till the tang gets used to it. Tangs are territorial, and can be very aggresive toward new fish, esp if kept in smaller spaces. Usually they should be one of the last fish to go in. How large a tank are we talking about?
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03-10-2001, 08:52 AM
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Little Fishy
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Fargo, ND
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The tank is a 40g breeder. There are 2 damsel's, 2 clown, 1 Y Tang, and the new angel. 55lbs Live rock also. There are places for the new fish to hide but the Tang seems to find him wherever he goes.
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03-10-2001, 01:47 PM
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Jedi Master
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A 40 gallon tank is not large enough for a tang. They need lots of room, and your tank is close to the max bioload without the tang. I would consider trying to find a new home for your yellow tang. I keep my yellow tang in a 90 and would not even think about adding another tang to my tank.
JMO,
Andrew
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03-10-2001, 02:06 PM
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I kept a Gramma, sebae clown and yellowtail damsel in a 55, later after losing the clown I added an Argi angel and felt that was near max for that particular tank,FWIW
People often tend to overestimate the carring capacity of SW tanks, fishwise, esp if they come from a FW backround where 55g tanks are considered large.
There are several major reasons for downsizing SW fish populations; Reduced oxygen carrying capacity, Nitrogen by product toxicity at SW tank pH, waste management and VERY Importantly aggresion and territoriallity issues among reef fishes.
Basically reef fish, like clowns,damsels, gobies, etc stake out territories and dont stray far, but defend them vigorously, some more so than others, not even tolerating their own kind(conspecific) unless mated.
Tangs on the other hand roam in herds in the wilds grazing and covering large areas. They are often found in large groups for protection for predators, and flee when threatened. If cornered they can use the scalpels on the caudal peduncle as a defense weapon and also when arguing over who gets to date the female. Most tang species will flee rather than hide in rocks given the choice, thats why they are easily stressed. Once they are introduced into an aquarium environment they will consider there downsized range as their domain and not take kindly to new introductions after they have established turf. Considering the distance wild tangs can travel grazing even large tanks can be limiting for them, IMO a 40 breeder just doesnt provide enough room. I am still wrestling with adding a small tang to my 75g
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03-11-2001, 12:33 AM
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Plankton
Join Date: Feb 2001
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If I were you, I would rid the tang and keep the Dwarf Angel. Probably because I LOVE Angels. Besides the tank is too small for the 2 to co-exist let a lone a tang.
Like a IVERSON & STACKHOUSE. Iverson is smaller better (angel). Stackhouse is bigger (tang).
Sorry for the tangent.
But its up to you. I have been searching for a coral beauty for a couple months and still haven't found any. Well good luck. |
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08-11-2006, 08:59 AM
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squid
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cape Cod, MA
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The More the Merrier
I just added a Coral Beauty Angel in with my Yellow Tang to my 55 gal. (40 lbs of live rock) the other day. I think they will be fine together once he establishes his hiding places and learns who the boss is. My yellow tang has always been the leader of the tank and chases everyone on occasion, but as long as everyone remains submissive to him and knows their place in the pecking order, all is well. BTW, I have had a large Yellow Tang, a large tomatoe clown, a percula clown, a blue damsel, a yellowtail damsel, a royal gramma, 3 green chromis and an eel in with my yellow tang for over 2 years. I think these perceived limits on how many fish you can keep are overrated. As long as you have a good filtration system and can maintain good water quality, why not push the limts? What good is a "fish" tank with no "fish" in it? Boring! |
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08-11-2006, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Risley
I just added a Coral Beauty Angel in with my Yellow Tang to my 55 gal. (40 lbs of live rock) the other day. I think they will be fine together once he establishes his hiding places and learns who the boss is. My yellow tang has always been the leader of the tank and chases everyone on occasion, but as long as everyone remains submissive to him and knows their place in the pecking order, all is well. BTW, I have had a large Yellow Tang, a large tomatoe clown, a percula clown, a blue damsel, a yellowtail damsel, a royal gramma, 3 green chromis and an eel in with my yellow tang for over 2 years. I think these perceived limits on how many fish you can keep are overrated. As long as you have a good filtration system and can maintain good water quality, why not push the limts? What good is a "fish" tank with no "fish" in it? Boring! |
Were all these fish in a 55g? What kind of filtration do you use and what skimmer if any? Water changes, frequent or not?
While its possible to address the waste issues, thats still a let of fish in a small spaceEver had the power go off for any length of time?
BTW Welcome to TRT
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08-16-2006, 10:16 AM
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squid
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Doug1
Were all these fish in a 55g? What kind of filtration do you use and what skimmer if any? Water changes, frequent or not?
While its possible to address the waste issues, thats still a let of fish in a small spaceEver had the power go off for any length of time?
BTW Welcome to TRT
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Doug,
Sorry for the slow response. I was doing a search on my new coral beauty and came across this post, so I decided to put my 2 cents in since I also have a yellow tang. After further exploring this very informative site, I have new concerns and realize I am still a bit of a newbie. Yes, all of these fish are in a 55 gallon. We converted our office tank to saltwter almost 2 years ago, and I am pretty much the sole maintainer. The equipment was all donated so I'm not even sure what brand the skimmer is, but it is a double skimmer hang-on with two Rio 800 powerheads on it. There is a magnum 350 canister filter with charcoal and two biowheels and a zoo med powersweep. Building is protected by a back-up generator, so no power outage issues. Have not done water changes for awhile, but water seems to evaporate very quickly and I find I am adding approx. 5 gallons a week of pure distilled water. Anyway, when I test the water I have no ammonia, no nitrites, ph is good, but the nitrates seem to run high. I have had all of the fish except the coral beauty and the three green chromis for the entire time. Have you heard of anyone having success with any nitrate reducing mediums added to the cannister filter such as Bio-Chem Zorb? I am also contemplating adding some plants.
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