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Old 04-19-2006, 08:52 AM   #1
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Makeshift Refuge?


Okay I have a 15 gal rubbermaid container under my tank working as my makeshift sump. It has the inlet from the overflow, my ASM mini-G skimmer, the return pump, and 10 pounds of lace rock.

I've seen people with sumps where they kinda have plants growing in them and I was wondering what's really difference between that and a refugium. Basically, I would just like to make sure that there's enough algae and micoorganisms to go around for the filter feeders. What can I add to my sump to make sure of this?
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:03 AM   #2
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Okay I have a 15 gal rubbermaid container under my tank working as my makeshift sump. It has the inlet from the overflow, my ASM mini-G skimmer, the return pump, and 10 pounds of lace rock.

I've seen people with sumps where they kinda have plants growing in them and I was wondering what's really difference between that and a refugium. Basically, I would just like to make sure that there's enough algae and micoorganisms to go around for the filter feeders. What can I add to my sump to make sure of this?
Well I am pretty sure that I will be corrected on this, but the only difference between the 2 is the deep sand bed and mud in alot of cases. The sand and mud are another form of bio filtration for denitrifiying bacteria to grow. The mud provides nutrient and trace elemnt export into the main tank. It also acts as a breeding ground for pods and other beneficial critters. If you do not currently have a DSB in you sump, then you are fine how you are. Just toss some macro algae in and your good to go. Refugiums just turn into second tanks, and can be a pain to clean.
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:06 AM   #3
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No I don't have a DSB in the sump, can I find this macroalgae at any LFS?
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:07 AM   #4
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very hard question to answer briefly..I think.

the term refugium simply means...a seperated area that provides safty/shelter to something.

initially, I believe a refugium was meant to house things like fish that were getting beat up by others...or a hitchhiker that you were nervous might be a reef killing monster.

But since then...the term has kind of taken on a new meaning. While it can still be used to mean everything above...it seems more commonly used in reference to an area that houses macro algae and is usually on an opposite photo-cycle than the display tank.

Now...it seems, the main point of refugiums seems to be any combination of the following:
  • Stabalize pH. Normally the tank's pH will rise during the day while the lights are on...then drop over the evening. With a refugium on an opposite photo-cycle...the pH tends to stabalize.
  • Nutrient export. When algae grows...it binds up nutrients in it's "body". So you can promote algae growth in the refugium as opposed to the display...and because you would trim it frequently, you'd be using the trimmed algae as a means to get the bad nutrients out of your tank.
  • Pod production. Lots of people use refugiums to give the 'pods a safe place to breed and live. The pods thrive in the refugium...and frequently get sucked into the tank..where pod loving critters promptly gobble them up. Great for tanks with Mandarins and the like. The tank itself can't provide enough area for enough pods to populate to keep a pod-gobbler like the mandarin fish full.
hope that helped a bit. If not, and I was just babbling (which I tend to do), please come back with more questions!!!
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:27 AM   #5
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No I don't have a DSB in the sump, can I find this macroalgae at any LFS?
Your LFS should have macro algae. If they do not, maybe a fellow reefer here could trade / sell you some. Or you could find some online at a pretty good price. I personally was looking on Ebay and they had some pretty good deals on Macro algae.
When ever I need some macro, my LFS just gave it to me. Maybe yours will do the same.
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:34 AM   #6
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Sounds good, because really I'd eventually like to keep a mandarin, and I know it's easy for them to starve. So if I just throw some macroalgae in my sump, I'll technically be good to go in that sense?

I'd rather not have the DSB in the sump because I really can't take the extra work at this point, and see as all I have is a rubbermaid tub, I don't want the sand being sucked up by the skimmer or the return.

Also, pardon the ignorance, what exactly is macroalgae? Is it like a leafy plant or is it just microscopic? Will I need a light underneath? Can it just be like a normal desklamp?
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