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Old 03-29-2006, 12:45 AM   #1
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Live sand or live rock???


which one should I buy? What is the difference in upkeep?
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Old 03-29-2006, 12:48 AM   #2
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Depends on how you are buying your live sand ... if you are getting the pre packaged stuff .. you are waisting your money ... get dead sand ... get a cup or 2 from a friend or local fish store`s established tanks and spread that around ...

if you are starting a reef .. you will need live rock .. so there really is no question about that ...
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Old 03-29-2006, 12:59 AM   #3
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So if I buy live rock...does that eventually lead to...ummm...live sand?
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Old 03-29-2006, 02:17 AM   #4
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So if I buy live rock...does that eventually lead to...ummm...live sand?
Yes

however if you are able to get as much LS from an established system as you can .. this will speed up your cycle time greatly ... Also .. if you can .. get CURED live rock ... some stores charge more for it ... I am lucky and got it for the same price as un-cured ...
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Old 03-29-2006, 06:44 AM   #5
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Get both if you got a 20G get 20 pounds of Live sand same for rocks. and dont just buy any rock get rocks that you can stack on to of each other. when you buy it visualize what you can do with it. aquascaping is hard but after a couple times youll be happy with it
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Old 03-29-2006, 06:56 AM   #6
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If I can only have one,then it would be LR ,but I'd rather have both.
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:15 AM   #7
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The LR will provide biological filtration via the bacteria that inhabit the surfaces on it. The sand is another creature. Do a search on sand beds and check it out. The sand will harbor different types of critters that will consume detritus and offer ether benefits.

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So...there is a difference? The stuff in the live rock spreading to my current sand bed won't work? How deep do you folks recommend I make my sand bed?
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:22 PM   #9
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So...there is a difference? The stuff in the live rock spreading to my current sand bed won't work? How deep do you folks recommend I make my sand bed?
Yes it will work .. it just takes longer to establish .. its always better to "seed" it to help speed things up ....

Most people run there sand beds ~3 to 4" ... I personally dont like the look of deep sand beds ... and I have been unable to find proof that a deep sand bed is more beneficial than a shallow one ... the rule of thumb here is 1 to 2 pounds of sand per gallon of water minimum .... BTW the rule is the same for live rock ...
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:22 PM   #10
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Have to disagree. The amount of rock depends on the rock. There are all kinds of "rule of thumb" about rock. 3/4 to 1 1/2 lgs per gallon and up. The real factor on the rock is how open and popurous it is. LR like Tonga, is more pourous than say Fiji, so it has more surface area and therefore can harbor more beneficial bacteria which is the reason for the LR in the reef tank (plus its nice to look at) With the sand there are lots of opinions on a DSB (deep sand bed) I would suggest you do a search here on "DSB" and get ready top read. One of the main issues with a DSB is that after time, they become saturated with phosphates and junk and can cause a tank crash once they reach max saturation and start leaching back into the tank. The DSB does have different levels that perform different tasks as far as de-nitrification etc. They do have a bennifit and purpose (issue is longevity)that goes beyond asthetics. Do a search and be prepared to read. This way you can make your own informed decission as the opinions run the gamut and can be quite a hot point for many folks. You could also run a shallow sand bed SSB, which is basically just for asthetics. Its easier to care for anf replace if needed. But it wont have the different filtering of a DSB. See where Im going? It really is best for you to check it out make make a decisiion based on what you find and want concerning the subject! There is the BB (bare bottom) method, high flow and no substrate or even a Faux sand bed. The BB was generally started to help maintain as nutrient poor water as possible for a system that is dominated by SPS coral as this type of coral is from the fore-reef and in nature lives in high light, nutrient poor water. It aids in the coloration of this type of coral cause excess nutriants will cause the algae living in the coral (which also gives the color) to turn brown.
Also on a high flow system that is designed to get the detritus to the sump/skimmer and has a high quality kick butt skimmer, you can use less rock. There is room for you to make the aquascaping the way you want it. You dont have to have the box full of rocks look. BUT, more rock=more beneficaial bacteria=more filtering capability. The bacteria handle bio-filtration and the skimmer emoves disolved solids.Hope that helped and didnt just make you more un sure...

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Of course Tom (Tdwyatt)can break down the DSB issues very well and give you the pros and cons issues by issue with the scientific knowledge and practical experiance to back it up. He is even doing two tanks identical as a comparison to address the DSB debate!R
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