Keep the vodka for yourself

superwizbang · 11-19-2005, 12:59 AM

Part two of my two-part cross-posting reading material. Needless to say, I was in the mood to read about alternate reefing ideas. Here is an article about dosing Vodka and an official, "unofficial" experiment. Now if I can only find a good article about using a black light to suppliment your tank lighting scheme.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

Happy Reefing!

-K

Wiskey · 11-19-2005, 08:02 AM

That article really does not tell the whole story, there is a sound theriy behind vodka dosing, it is simaler to the zevoit method. That being said, if you are not carefull you can wipe out a tank doing it.

Whiskey

tims · 11-19-2005, 08:12 AM

Ken take a look inthe think tank, there were a few threads about that article a while back.

superwizbang · 11-19-2005, 01:05 PM

Interesting Tim. Will do. I was more curious about the whole scheme rather than possibly trying it. Seems to be a small buzz going on over the whole theory and I thought I might learn a little more. I will pop over to the TT sometime today.

-K

tims · 11-19-2005, 02:04 PM

Ken,
the theroy behind it does make some sense , but i belive it is just one of those quick fixes.
kinda like saying" everything in my tank was dying until i added iodine, ( but what they forgot to say is they did 2 big WC, and cleaned out the skimmer adn changed the lights"
JMHI..
there are a few articles floatiing around on the net also.i belive reef keeping has at least two and adv.aqu. has at least one..

tdwyatt · 11-19-2005, 02:23 PM

Although I don't often comment on issues centering on comparisons of captive sand bed rates of carbon utilization, I might mention that rates of such utilization often vary depending on relative amounts of carbon and potentially limited other nutrients available in what are considered polluted vs. non-polluted sediments and reefs. You might want to see Yuri Sorokin's review in Chapter 4 "Benthic Microflora, Periphyton and Plant Associations," Coral Reef Ecology, 1995, which goes into a well-referenced detail about calcareous sediment (sand) carbon production. It discusses nutrient cycles and metabolic variances based on proximity to healthy coral stands Vs eutrophic or dead coral stands. It puts the issues in much better perspective when we talk about whether or not a system is carbon, nitrogen, or phosphate-limited and the perspective on nutrient cycling in such environments. Keep in mind that when we speak of nutrient cycles, most often our systems more closely resemble systems in decline/eutrophication than they resemble the pristine oligotropic systems found in undisturbed open oceanic reef biotopes, even when we compare our bare bottomed systems as examples.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

Geoff · 11-19-2005, 03:55 PM

OK, why am i not able to find part1.

G~

superwizbang · 11-19-2005, 10:01 PM

These were from the 2004 issues. You would have to go to the back issues to find part I. Luckily, I have already done this for you. Happy reading:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/eb/index.php

-K

mantisfreak · 11-19-2005, 10:07 PM

Tom,

Where did you find that book? Amazon has been looking for that one for me for months and months.

tdwyatt · 11-20-2005, 12:00 AM

I bought my copy around 2000, I wouldn't know where to look now, although some of the world ecology sites should have it (andrew isles, Amazon UK, Blackwells, Alibris, http://www.nhbs.com , etc) what becomes more interesting is finding books that are not distributed in the US at all, or thawt have very limited distribution to libraries or to campus bookstores, then going to the original publisher store is the best bet (for this book, request isbn 3-540-60532-0 or 0-387-60532-0 through Springer-Verlag either in New York or in Berlin.)

http://www.springer.com/sgw/cda/fron...-0-0-0,00.html

Geoff · 11-20-2005, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superwizbang

These were from the 2004 issues. You would have to go to the back issues to find part I. Luckily, I have already done this for you. Happy reading:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/eb/index.php

-K

Thanks!!!

G~

Doug1 · 11-20-2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdwyatt

I bought my copy around 2000, I wouldn't know where to look now, although some of the world ecology sites should have it (andrew isles, Amazon UK, Blackwells, Alibris, http://www.nhbs.com , etc) what becomes more interesting is finding books that are not distributed in the US at all, or thawt have very limited distribution to libraries or to campus bookstores, then going to the original publisher store is the best bet (for this book, request isbn 3-540-60532-0 or 0-387-60532-0 through Springer-Verlag either in New York or in Berlin.)

http://www.springer.com/sgw/cda/fron...-0-0-0,00.html

I bought that when we did the MACO coral bio class, I wound up getting it through a bookstore in the UK. I seb
nt it to Galleon after getting to page 3 and going huh?????????
Its not light reading but if you have background and speak the language its a great book

VWD · 11-20-2005, 12:04 PM

The Old Becomes New, Yet Again: Sandbeds and Vodka
Here part one

part two

mantisfreak · 11-20-2005, 02:05 PM

Thanks Tom

tdwyatt · 11-20-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantisfreak

Thanks

Curt, you may want to check through CampusI and do a world seerch, sometimes they will find hits through third parties that folks normally don't consider.

Look at the search at this link for an example (btw, if anyone finds a used copy of the Zubinsky at a reasonable price, I am looking and I am VERY interested...)

http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/...dId=0444873929

Only issue I have had getting some of the more hard-to-locate books through searches like this is that many of the sellers know what they have, and tack on handling and shipping that may add as much as a third to a book in the $200 + USD market...

...and then there's the exchange rate...