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Old 05-08-2008, 05:47 PM   #1
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Ich in a reef tank


I'm really new to the hobby and have started a reef tank. I have some soft corals, sponges invertabrates and some fish. The problem is that my blue tang and powder blue tang have come down with Ich. I was told that it is possible to use Ich-X and it wouldn't hurt anything. I was wondering what others thought. I tried to catch them and give them a fresh water bath but that was pretty much impossible. My tank is 125 gallons and trying to catch a 3" fish isn't easy. Does anyone else know how to remedy this problem.

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Old 05-08-2008, 05:50 PM   #2
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Welcome to TRT!

I know it is difficult to catch them, I have a 125 too, but it really is best to try and treat outside the tank. Here is a thread I started with the treatment I used and it work very well.

http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f6...t=hyposalinity
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:50 PM   #3
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ya hyposalinity worked for me its the best treatment i find
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:24 PM   #4
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sorry to here that. IME if you look at a tang the wrong way they get ick!
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:53 PM   #5
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Be careful with "ick remedies" in reef.

Most will drop pH, stress corals if not kill them.

If you can't catch them drop salinity slowly, feed garlic or add garlic drops to food and pray for the best outcome.

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Old 05-10-2008, 06:51 AM   #6
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Thanks for your suggestions to solve my problem. I'm going to try a couple of things and I will let you know how things turn out. The hyposalinity suggestion is out at the moment as I can't afford to buy a digital salinity meter at the moment.(they are quite dear up here in Canada) I'm told by some experienced aquarists that if I can get the fish healthy and then feed them garlic it seems to keep the ich away. I'm going to catch the fish and put them in a hospital tank and treat them for ich at the same time give them doses of garlic with their food. Once their healthy I will put them back into the main tank and see how it goes.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:44 AM   #7
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yes you really ned to catch them.
A powder blue tang is very ich sensitive
I like the lights off lights on method for catching tangs and its easy .
when your lights go off in the evening turn off all the lights in the room the tanks in.
Get everything ready with the lights off. At about midnight when all the fishy are sleep, bet a flashlight. (best if you use a red flashlight filter but i have used a regular flashlight) and filnd the fish you want to catch. If he likes to sleep under a rock then have a turkey baster ready as well. when you find him . cut on all your fish tank lights at once. he will be blind for about 20-30 sec while his eyes adjust to the light.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:46 AM   #8
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Oh yeah DO NOT FW DIP A POWDER BLUE TANG. I think its to much stress and made my problem worse
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:55 PM   #9
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Ich is easy to kill ... but very difficult and often impossible to do safely in a reef tank environment.

The two common and effective methods of killing ich are copper and hypo salinity .. both are considered lethal to inverts are not recommended for show tanks.

If you want an "ich free" show tank then I suggest you setup a QT tank .. gather every fish (whether they show signs of ich or not) and treat them for ich. This will kill the ich on the fish .. but won't kill the ich within the show tank. Ich need a fish to perpetuate their life cycle and if you leave your show tank without fish for about 5 weeks any ich within the show tank will naturally die off.

In the future .. I suggest you QT all fish before you introduce them to your show tank .. saves a lot of headaches.
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:17 PM   #10
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Here is the remidy that I found that works well for me.

1. Feed the fish well

2. Take out any food that is still in the tank at night
(no food over night they need to rest)

3. Repeat until ick is gone.

Easy and works.

New fish can get stressed untill they settle in,
having the tank fed well helps to reduce the social stress.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:19 PM   #11
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We were able to beat ick in our 155 in about 3 weeks. Daily feedings with garlic soaked food, Melafix for secondary infection, and use a UV sterilizer. Our ick started when we introduced a powder brown into our tank and it was very aggressive. Our blue tang looked really bad as blue tangs often do. They get over it. One of our lfs has a large blue with ick and it got over it without treatment. The big thing is to make sure they continue to eat a healthy diet and water params are good.
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:31 PM   #12
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IMO:

after being in this hobby for 5 years now, I believe that Tangs should not be put in a reef system (unless you're extremely diligent and ultra-skilled at this hobby).

The longer I own a reef tank the more I believe reef tanks should only house a maximum of 4 small fish -and- nothing larger than the size of your thumb. The more populated your reef becomes with coral the more you have to cut back on the number and SIZE of fish.

I have completely retired from owning Tangs in my coral-packed reef tank after killing off about a half dozen over the course of 3 years...and still to this day feel completely aweful for doing so.

Its not fair to a Tang to put them a tank system that cant be treated with medicine. Tangs are extremely sensitive....and big eaters/grazers and easily polute a tank with their big appetites. If a poluted tank is ignored for as little as just one week, a Tang quickly becomes stressed then ill and before you know it you wake up one day with whitespots all over your Tang....and a week later, its laying flat on the sandbed, dead.

I'm sure there are a ton of people on this board who successful keep Tangs in a reef.... but I'm here to tell ya'.... they're consistantly working their tails off to maintain an unpoluted tank....and put PRISTINE water quality at the TOP of their list.

So in my book, if you want a Tang in a reef, you need to be a very DILIGENT hobbyist by 1) stepping-up water-changes to once a week, 2) monitor your water quality daily and be prepared to do a water change at any given moment, 3) be a mastered-pro at feeding, by providing garlic-soaked food and in small amounts...just enough to keep them happy but not so much that your water quality go bad...its a delicate balance must be maintained 24/7 365 days a year....its all just too much work and too hard for 90% of hobbyists.

If you aren't ready for such a diligent commitment, leave the beautiful Tangs at the LFS where they treat their tanks with medicine constantly and use a much lower salinity to keep them healthy and ready for sale.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:28 PM   #13
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Hi everyone I have a 90 gal reef tank with 2 clowns 1 yellow tang 1 flame angel and 1 yellow eye kole tang and I have a little ick problem before I had my yellow eye I had a powder blue And I'm very new to the hobby and I didn't quarintine him and he ende up getting ick and dying but I recently added my yellow eye kole tang and he was getting harassed by my yellow tang and is stressed and he is showing a little ick and I've tried catching them by ruining my rock work and by using the bottle trap
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:30 PM   #14
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I also feed mysis brine dried seaweed nori I think it is and I soak all of it in garlic before feeding
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:27 PM   #15
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IMO:

after being in this hobby for 5 years now, I believe that Tangs should not be put in a reef system (unless you're extremely diligent and ultra-skilled at this hobby).

The longer I own a reef tank the more I believe reef tanks should only house a maximum of 4 small fish -and- nothing larger than the size of your thumb. The more populated your reef becomes with coral the more you have to cut back on the number and SIZE of fish.

I have completely retired from owning Tangs in my coral-packed reef tank after killing off about a half dozen over the course of 3 years...and still to this day feel completely aweful for doing so.

Its not fair to a Tang to put them a tank system that cant be treated with medicine. Tangs are extremely sensitive....and big eaters/grazers and easily polute a tank with their big appetites. If a poluted tank is ignored for as little as just one week, a Tang quickly becomes stressed then ill and before you know it you wake up one day with whitespots all over your Tang....and a week later, its laying flat on the sandbed, dead.

I'm sure there are a ton of people on this board who successful keep Tangs in a reef.... but I'm here to tell ya'.... they're consistantly working their tails off to maintain an unpoluted tank....and put PRISTINE water quality at the TOP of their list.

So in my book, if you want a Tang in a reef, you need to be a very DILIGENT hobbyist by 1) stepping-up water-changes to once a week, 2) monitor your water quality daily and be prepared to do a water change at any given moment, 3) be a mastered-pro at feeding, by providing garlic-soaked food and in small amounts...just enough to keep them happy but not so much that your water quality go bad...its a delicate balance must be maintained 24/7 365 days a year....its all just too much work and too hard for 90% of hobbyists.

If you aren't ready for such a diligent commitment, leave the beautiful Tangs at the LFS where they treat their tanks with medicine constantly and use a much lower salinity to keep them healthy and ready for sale.

Hum, not sure where that theory comes from, I have had Tangs for 5 years and a mixed batch at that, Sailfin, Yellow and Blue Hippo, some were purchased and one was a rescue. My reef is a mixed reef with a bunch of nems, I do weekly and sometimes bi-weekly water changes and outside of that my mainteance is very minimal outside of glass cleanings, so I do not believe it has anything to do with a different comment than any other specimens. I don't use garlic, I don't dose and I maybe check parameters once a month (do not try this at home). I personally think it starts in the beginning, setting up your reef to be as automated and stable as possible. Some say ich is always present, Im not sure if it is or not and I do not believe anyone really does. Most people experience ich from a new system that is not stable, salinity, temp, parameters ect., or putting Tangs in a system that is either too small or in with other aggressive fish. I personally think one of the biggest issues is unstable salinity issues, you can't wait till the end of the day to add water, water is evaporates every minute of the day, if you lose a little then you need to add a little and that can only be done with an ato. With that said:

There are only 3 known proven treatments of MI. And ALL must be done in a qt. 1.Copper, instructions must be followed to a T, MUST be done in QT, very hard on the fish, 2.Hypo, to be done correctly it needs to be done with a refractometer, swing arms are too inaccurate and inconsistent, must be down in a qt, may take 4-8 weeks, and a lesser use transfer method, which uses a ton of salt rodi and labor. Also DT will need to be fallow (fish less) for 8-10 weeks for MI to die off without a host (fish) to keep it multiplying. There are NO reef safe meds, ick out, ick cure, ick rid or any of the other snake oils out there. Ick outbreaks are caused by stress and any Tang in a small tank or in with other aggressive fish will be stressed out, they swim 25 miles or more a day.
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