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Old 03-31-2005, 10:35 AM   #1
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How often to feed seahorse?


Hi I've had a seahorse in my reeftank now for about a month. He seems very very happy, and loves to follow me around in the tank. He even latches onto my hand when its in the tank.

I ussually feed him enriched brine twice a day. I let him eat about 10 each time.

Is this too much or too little?

Also, my main goal is the well being of this animal. Are there signs I should look out for if he is not doing so well? He is way more active then when I bought him in the fish store, and seems to love every aspect of the tank.

Tank is 55 gal btw.
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:02 AM   #2
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Hi,
Check out www.seahorse.org, as they are the definitive experts. Brine shrimp is the equivalent of potato chips = not nutritious at all. You might try Mysis shrimp instead, or at least try to wean him over to something healthier.

I'm certainly not a seahorse expert, but they aren't usually put in reefs as they tend to prefer slightly lower temperatures and flow. In any case, good luck with him!

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Old 03-31-2005, 11:06 AM   #3
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I do enrich the brine for 24 hours! So is that like potato chips, with some viatims? hehe

Also, is there a place online to buy live mysis shrip? My seahorse wont eat anything dead...

And thanks for the link but people at seahorse.org scolded me for having a seahorse in a reef tank... Funny, I thought they grew wild on a reef, but according to them they live in glasses houses under the sea. (Not nice people there)

I do take very good care of the horse. I turn off pumps at night, and sometimes during the day. I take better care of the seahorse then the corals..
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:13 AM   #4
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Dont mind the people at seahorse.org........Everyone is an expert if you know what I mean... ....Sounds like your doing O.K. on your own....

"Seahorses cannot survive for any length of time on just brine shrimp, either love or frozen. They require proteins and HUFAs (Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids) that they find in the perfect seahorse food--frozen mysis shrimp. There are a few brands of frozen mysis available, but the best in my opinion comes from Piscine Energetics up in Canada. Their mysis are whole shrimp, clean and meaty. The mysis should be enriched with Vibrance (that is OR's product, but I'm sure there are other out there).

When you feed the mysis, it is best to turn off the protein skimmer and any other powerheads. I leave them off for as long as it take for the seahorses to clean up what I have fed, which it usually only five or ten minutes. You have to make sure that all of your seahorses are getting their share of food. An adult OR will eat 3 to 4 shrimp at each sitting, and they can be fed in the morning and the early evening. If your live rock is mature, you will see them hunting at other times for small creatures in the live rock. One day a week I do not feed my herd. Don't worry, it will not do them any harm, it is much better to have a hungry fish looking for food than sated fish swimming around amongst rotting uneaten food."
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:14 AM   #5
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PS: Liveaquaria now sells white shrimp---They are about 1/4" to 1/2"---Not sure if that helps you at all----Anthony
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:42 PM   #6
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Is that the White Shrinp they sell?

Also is there a place that sells live mysis? Link would be helpful!
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:58 PM   #7
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I do not know of anywhere that sells live mysis----The link is below for the white shrimp-----it says they are good for seahorses---HTH---Anthony

http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_...fm?pCatId=2191
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Old 04-03-2005, 05:00 AM   #8
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I got another great site with some good insite for seahorses in general. www.seahorse-nw.com go to the bottom of the page and you will see a 4 part discussion on seahorses. to learn how to ween them off of live food follow this link i have done this before and it works great. http://www.seahorse-nw.com/New_Seahorse_Tips.html
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Old 04-03-2005, 05:39 AM   #9
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What kind of seahorse do you have, where did you get it from?

Honestly, for ease of keeping, and conservation reasons, you probably should not try to keep wild seahorses, but should stick with tank bred ones.

Tank bred seahorses will eat some frozen foods, they generally will eat frozen mysid shrimp.

You might want to try the folks at this site, for some information and food.

http://www.oceanrider.com/products.asp?Categories_ID=1
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Old 04-03-2005, 08:57 AM   #10
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I'm sort of kind of the resident seahorse keeper here... although I don't currently keep any, I've got some years of experience.

I'm concerned by a few things... yes you may well have been scolded at seahorse.org, because you're keeping a (presumably wild-caught) seahorse in a reef tank. Before you tar them all with the same brush, consider that perhaps they know a little more than you do. You will also find that many/most of the people on the various syngnathid sites are all the same people, on different sites (there's a few with 'political' differences) but the seahorse-keeping community is relatively small, and most of us know about one another - so you aren't likely to find anything different by trying a different site. NO, seahorses don't live in glass boxes in the wild, but they do live in patches of seagrass, not on the reef. They don't like intense lighting usually found on a reef tank (I kept mine under 55 watts of PC and they were fine). Stinging corals will injure or eat your seahorse. I have kept mine with a few mushrooms, leathers and sponges, things that posed low or no threat, but most LPS corals can and will eat or severely injure a seahorse.

Respectfully, it sounds like you don't like seahorse.org because they didn't tell you what you wanted to hear - so you might not like me either. Please know that my advice comes from my own experience, and comes from a spirit of helpfulness (as I am sure the advice on seahorse.org did, too). My wish is for you to succeed and your creatures to thrive. I'll offer my insight and you can take it or leave it - but if you truly care about the animal in your care, you will take what you are offered here and at seahorse.org, or any other syngnathid specific site, to heart. There are many combined years of experience here and there, and they don't usually offer up suggestions for the thrill of flaming someone - but they do get a little testy when newcomers to the hobby rush out and buy a seahorse without doing the necessary research, or without being willing to provide the proper care and environment. 19 years ago I made the exact same mistake - did the research after the fact and did what I had to do to make it right, but there is much more knowledge out there now and many more resources, and nowadays there's no reason why people can't be armed with the knowledge before they make their purchase...

Turning off the pumps at night might help the seahorse (although I don't believe so), but it will hurt your other reef inhabitants. Some turn pumps off during feeding, I don't, but leaving them off in the night will cause fluctuations in dissolved oxygen and pH. What you are "doing" for your seahorse seriously conflicts with the needs of a reef tank. This makes sense then, that people thought it wasn't a good idea to keep a seahorse in a reef...

Seahorses don't mind current - they need a quiet place to hitch, but in my experience they have fun playing in the current at times. Having said that, they don't do well where they are constantly blown away either. Moderate current can be entertaining to them, but they don't need as still a tank as you might think.

As for feeding - you CAN (and should) wean the horse off brine. Enriched or not, it's still the nutritional equivalent of "popcorn" (or chips). You would be better off getting freshwater ghost shrimp (or saltwater ones if you can find them, but it's not easy), gut load them with spirulina flake, Selcon or other nutritious food, and feed the horse the live ghost shrimp. I did this until I could wean my wild horses (some years ago), onto Piscine Energetics Mysis (which I am sure was recommended to you at seahorse.org). Mysis has more protein, more HUFA, and is a better long-term food source for captive seahorses. PE brand is frozen whole and closely resembles a live shrimp and I haven't had much trouble "fooling" a seahorse into taking them, although I had one female H. reidi that took 3 months to be "fooled". Patience is the name of the game.

Another thing - seahorses are a social creature. This, to me, presents a dilemma. Seahorses tend to thrive better in pairs or groups - even same-sex pairs will bond to one another. I'm at odds whether to suggest getting a second one, or find a more appropriate home for the one you have - only you can make that choice, but if you have the creature's welfare in mind, you may wish to consider either option. They benefit from the company of their own kind, and to doom one to a solitary life is unfair in my opinion.

I strongly urge people not to purchase wild caught horses anymore, as it sounds as if the one you have is. They are harder to come by now, but there are a number of captive propagators out there. I would not suggest adding a captive horse in with this wild caught one - too many chances for the wild one to give the captive one some sort of pathogen.

Hope you don't lump my response in with the "scoldings"... hope you make choices that are in the best interest of the seahorse in your care.

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Bravo JennM. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:21 PM   #12
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Jenn thank you for the info, but I believe your reading into my remarks about seahorse.org a little too much. I can see you must have friends there, and trying to defend them, but my little one liner comment did not warrent such a defensive post...

On to other things, I have great respect for the information you just posted. Thank you, but I've decided to make a seahorse only tank.

Again, sorry you took my little one liner too seriously. It was all in good fun, and I was mainly pointing out how this site has a more home feel for me. If was being honest only 2 people replied to my post overthere, so maybe I exagerated a bit when I said scolding. Again all in goof fun..

/runs away with tail between its legs...
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:46 PM   #13
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I was afraid you would misinterpret my response and apparently you have.

I haven't posted on seahorse.org in over 2 years so my reply was not "politically motivated", nor was it defensive. The folks over there know what they are doing, period. Simply matter-of-fact and nothing more or less. I've answered a lot of syngnathid-oriented questions here over the last few years, and while I've got as warped a sense of humour as anyone here (maybe more so!), I do take husbandry questions and answers quite seriously, and I stand by my opinions and recommendations based on my own personal experiences.

Good luck with your tank

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Old 04-03-2005, 10:23 PM   #14
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You responded to my one sentence with 2 paragraphs. How can anyone not misinterpret? No need to respond, thanks for the advice, well taken and I will be using it. Thanks again.
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i found it to be a well thought out and thorough response
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