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Old 01-10-2004, 04:52 PM   #1
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How much has the hobby grown?


Just wondering, how much has the aquarium hobby in general and the marine hobby grown in the last 50 years? Are there any studies or polls which have numbers?
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Old 01-10-2004, 07:44 PM   #2
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thats a great question. unfortunately alot of "new reefers" are not taking the time to do research on the hobby I've noticed that people are watching finding nemo and go out to the lfs and get a tank, salt, sand, and yep a percula clown all in the same day. sometimes they get even more and then come on this site and need help. I think with the growing demand on saltwater and ref tank the lfs should be more reponsible and educate the people they are selling to about just how complex this hobby is. I just started my first reef tank 5 weeks ago and I'm enjoying it so much more since I've been on this board learning about the hobby instead of going out and waisting me money and no to mention needlessly killing living creatures .
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Old 01-10-2004, 08:30 PM   #3
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You know, that is too true and really touching!
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Old 01-10-2004, 09:13 PM   #4
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DOnt know about sites and statistics but I got into SW in 75 or so, Lee Chen Ing was playing with Live Rock and coral tanks in cement tanks outdoors in Indonesia, as I recall. Keeping coral, at least on the hobby level was an underground thing.
Heck my first skimmer was a cup attachment that fit on the uptube on my Bio-Surge UGF YAh its come along way
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Old 01-11-2004, 12:37 AM   #5
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I am amazed when I come across older books and the outdated info they containe. Here are some interesting quoates from a book I bought new at my LFS,
Marine Fish
Axelrod & Burgess
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the book states that the most signifigant improvement at that time was the all-glass tank. Lights were used to show off fish and NO flouro's were hight tech alternitave to incandesants. Quoate from pg 17, "protien skimmers, ozonizers, and uv filters seem to be in disfavor and are not reccommended"
The book contuniues to say, "although marine aquarists have tried to keep several species of coral in thier tanks with varying amounts of success" but advises only bleached dead coral be placed in the tank.
No mention of LR and pretty much makes all algae sound bad. It does have some great pics though...

oh yeah the chapter on diseases and parasites? scary....... its came a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ong way!
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Old 01-11-2004, 01:34 AM   #6
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I have a friend who just bought a 100 gallon tank and wants me to set it up, I started asking him the normal q's......

reef or fo

sump, blah blah blah


all he said is I want at least 4 nemos and a dori, I told him to call me when he was serious


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Old 01-11-2004, 04:34 AM   #7
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When I set up my 20 gallon nano tank I did 3 months of pure reading before hand. My tank ran 2 months with LR before I ever considered getting my first fish. My friend built me a custom hood with 110Watts PC (10,000K + Acnitic), I researched and bought an Aqua C remora skimmer, the proper test kits, and use only Distilled water for the tank and so far so good. When I was ready to purchase my first fish, I knew what I wanted and how to introduce them. My LFS was so happy and thrilled that he almost fell over. He was so excited to meet someone who had taken his time and done things the right way. He always tells me that my tank is better than what he has at the store. Its disappointing when people just jump into something without research or asking around. When I look at my mated pair of clowns, I can not help but wonder how many clownfish died because people got Nemo-fever that was over in a few weeks. Now, don't get me wrong, I liked the movie a lot, but I am sure that of people spent big $$$$ on tanks only to get into a mess.
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:46 AM   #8
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Speaking as a retailer...

We didn't notice a big surge in "Nemo-mania" until the DVD came out. Sure, lots of people point out Nemo and Dory (2 of each) in our display... they were there long before the movie. But I didn't have anybody come in "just" to buy a tank and a Nemo-fish... And if they had, I would have sold them a book first. Most got turned off when I told them how much it would cost to buy a tank, filter, skimmer, rock, sand... too much money for a "Nemo"... how about a nice Betta splendens and a little Betta Kit... all that and a book about its care for around $20. If you like the hobby after that, come see me and we'll discuss upgrades

Folks who are willing to drop hundreds or thousands on a setup of some description, but balk about $35 on a book or a test kit, SCARE ME

I *have* had a surge in existing tank-owners/hobbyist want to add a Nemo-fish (new name for common clown... ) or a "Dory Fish" to their current setup, and if it's appropriate, I oblige. If it's not, I say so too. But that's just me.

I think the MEDIA made a lot of hype. When the movie came out I read stories about kids flushing their parents' fishes down the toilet... I even read about some 10-year-old flushing his father's Harlequin Tuskfish, right out of the 150 g reef. Show me an ADULT that can catch a tusk in a 150 without ripping it apart....nevermind a child. Sorry, but just not believable. I think a lot of the "news" was fabrication.

Oh sure, some people probably went out and went overboard, but I really don't think it was on the scale that some would have you believe. Like I said, we just didn't see anything like that. Sure every person that comes through the store associates the fishes with the characters, but that doesn't mean anything.

When we wrote our business plan, I found studies that showed that the aquarium hobby was second only to photography, in popularity/growth.

Here's some stuff I found in my research...some might surprise you...

Marine Aquarist Profile:

Age
The typical American saltwater aquarium hobbyist is 40 years old. (International Survey of the Reef Aquarium Hobby, 1997). The majority seem to range between 20-50 years old. (APPMA 1998, and International Survey of the Reef Aquarium Hobby, 1997)

Gender:
Although there's controversy on this data, we can assume that most hobbyists are male. Data from the APPMA indicates 40 % are males and 57% are females, while the survey from the ISRAH found 91% are males. (Envorinmental Media Services: American Marine Aquarist Profile)

Household Income:
The average household income fror hobbyists is $47,000. Most hobbyists make more than $35,000 a year and 36% make more than $50,000 (ISRAH, 1997)

Children:
Most (62%) have no children (ISRAH, 1997)

Time as Marine Aquarists
Hobbyists usually maintain a marine aquarium for at least 5 years (ISRAH, 1997 and APPMA, 1998)

And here's one that really surprised me...

Contact with their Community:
The majority of hobbyists (71%) do not belong to aquarium clubs. (APPMA, 1998)

I've got lots of other interesting factoids gleaned during the writing of the business plan too... but thought those were most relevant to the question posed.

We researched where hobbyists live (most on the East Coast), followed by Pacific region), most in large cities...

It's interesting, for me, after doing all that research and seeing all those numbers, to compare them with my actual market/customers. IMO the information is reasonably accurate. I do think there are more women in the hobby than some might think, I strongly dispute the 91% male numbers that the ISRAH study found, yet I don't think that 40/57 is accurate either. I think most are male, but it's closer to perhaps 60/40 in my unscientific observation.

I think the surge in interest stems from huge advances in technology and knowledge in how to keep creatures.

I do remember metal-framed aquariums -- of course nobody succeeded with marines in these... we now know that. The glass aquarium enabled long term success with fishes, and I'm sure there was a lot of trial-and-error with other creatures too.

It's amazing now, even in the short time (17 years) that I've been in the hobby, I've seen things improve. We used to leave live corals in the shop for "rich people" to buy, because we knew they would die... now even newbie hobbyists can have success with corals. Advanced hobbyists are discovering secrets to keeping tricky animals... every day the knowledge pool gets bigger, and tools such as the Internet are making the sharing an distribution of that knowledge INSTANT.

The biggest threat to the hobby is long term sustainability. Destructive collection practices still go on, and aren't discouraged on a large scale. Unless the industry reforms from within, the potential for its decline is serious. As hobbyists, you have a lot of power to effect change, by educating yourselves and demanding ethically and sustainably caught livestock, supporting some captive propagation (but IMO captive stock should not exclusively replace wild caught). Be aware, ask questions and push for positive change.

Hope some of this information is helpful

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Old 01-11-2004, 11:55 AM   #9
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I guess Austin is looking for stats and numbers which I would also be very interested in seeing - thanks for your numbers Jenn, but I am amazed at how far the hobby has come in terms of husbandry and technology.

I started in SW in the mid 70's when I worked in a pet store. I started reefing a few years later.

I set up my new 180 almost a year ago after being completely out of the hobby for about 6-7 years. "Back in the day" people didn't even acclimate corals, just open the bag and drop in. Very little was know about feeding, calcium reactors were just a rumor in the US, most techies swore by ozone - and ORP was critical! Oh yeah, Metal Halide, whats that? We struggled to keep corals alive let alone tank raise or propagate. The amount automation is incredable. In the old days, I would spend at a minimum 10-12 hrs. a week on my tanks - testing, water changes, toping off, cleaning etc, etc. Now with all the gadgets, equipment, controllers etc., the tank is so stable that the maintenance time is reduced dramatically.

Hovever, IMHO one of the most significant changes is the internet. I thought I knew a lot about this hobby when I got back into it...untill I found TRT The direct advise you all have given me and the hours I've spent reading thread's is the most important factor in my current (and hopefully future) sucsess. In the old days I would never have had access the expertice of the PHD's, scientific researchers or even the broad range of people that have been doing this for years. Hats off to TRT!!!!!

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Heh yeah... technology.

I bought my first SW tank from an exiting hobbyist. 30 g with undergravel filter, plastic plants... 3 species of clownfish...

"Upgraded" to a reverse-flow undergravel...

Then Scott built his own wet/dry out of a 20 g tank, a wing and a prayer... we're lucky that we didn't flood the place... homemade overflow using a powerhead.... OY!

Then we upgraded to the 55 we still have today (although we recently took it down, it ran until a few months ago), had a built-in Dutch style system, we modified that as knowledge increased...

Protein skimmer??? Got one in 2000. Prior to that, only the "rich" could afford them

Upgraded to PC lighting and started keeping photosynthetics then too, in 2000. Wow we really have grown in leaps and bounds in the last few years, versus the 13 years prior.

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Old 01-11-2004, 03:22 PM   #11
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WOW!!! Jenn, that's awesome info, that's 10 posts and a half. Those are cool stats, any others? I agree, technology and the internet has made HUGE impacts on the aquarium hobby. And TRT, of course!

Hey Jenn, one question, how much has the Fiji ban been affecting things. I asked one Lfs who says its been tremendous, that the only rock he gets is from Fiji, and he can't get any. Another, larger store, which sells all types of rock, says it hasn't been affecting them and they still get all their fiji rock. So what's going on?
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