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08-02-2007, 03:14 PM
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Hop's downgrade to 300 gallons: A simple build thread
OK I know some of you thought it was sacrilege that I tore my 450-gallon system down. Numerous issues compiled and aided in the decision.
First off was the system itself. I think anyone who builds their first dream system will tell you that a lot more thought went into building it than effort in building it  I was no different. There were a few corners that I cut and a few things that I didn’t even think of. The problems with the tank were:
1. Plumbing. I had a few hurdles to overcome and overcame them fine. What I didn’t account for was noise. The display room was not that bad, a slight trickle was noticeable as the water fell 8’ from the overflow, under the tank and into the crawl space before traveling about 21’, up 3’ and into the sump/fuge portion of the tank. The other issue was where the water came back up 3’… It was rather loud in the downstairs bathroom and at night could be heard in my daughter’s room. The sound of water was also noticeable in the master bedroom when all was quiet, but I didn’t mind this much.
2. Humidity… Yeah we’ve all heard this, but I live on the outskirts of the desert. We have low humidity and people actually run humidifiers in their homes during the winter to curtail the bloody noses… No go, on really cold nights, humidity hit 60%, my windows were completely watered over, mold grew in the window sills, my daughter’s room was right above the tank and had mildew growing on the ceiling near the sofet of the roof line. Vent fans were not enough for the system.
3. Equipment: I should have taken more time with the initial equipment purchases, but money was a factor. Basically anyone who wonders how big tanks are managed can just refer to the phrase “you can go as big as your checkbook”. So after getting things going, I wanted to tweak things a bit and found out that my flow wasn’t going to work and the lighting was sub-par as well. A whole lot of watts was spent lighting the top 20” of water and didn’t do anything for the bottom.
4. SNAILS! OMG, never gain will anything ever get plunked into my tank. I have no idea where the vermetids came from, but they certainly learned how to breed. Enough on these guys, I’m trying to forget them!
Other than that, the tank was doing really well. I can say that numerous hours was spent learning about chemistry and as far and that aspect goes, it was a very healthy environment for my critters.
So with the tank issues, my wife just bouncing back from cancer and the passing of my father I found myself swimming dangerously low on co-co puffs! It was time for the tank to come down. I transferred everything into my 125 and began selling the parts I wouldn’t need.
I had hoped that I would be able to reserect the 450 and add another display to bring the total volume up to around 800 gallons, but more life issues thwarted that idea
So recently I decided that I would completely remove the infrastructure for the big tank in my office and concentrate on my 125 gallon tank. As luck would have it, I strolled into a deal with a 190 gallon tank that with some work, will slide right into the same place my 125 sits.
Initially I wasn't going to make a build thread until after it was completed, but with recent events I need an outlet and well, this takes my mind off things.
So away we go!
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08-02-2007, 03:20 PM
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I was lucky in the fact that I already had a mostly completed rebuilt wetroom and I can still use it with this system. Here is the original concept drawing. You will see how the plans changed slightly as the building was under way:
Part of the build required actually redoing my shop so that I could cut large 4X8 sheets alone. Here is a table saw and runoff tables I built in the shop to make the construction easier.
Next up, rebuilding the wetroom...
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08-02-2007, 03:25 PM
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So part of the build was the tear down the old wetroom and start over. Contrary to popular beleif, green dryway is not all it's cracked up to be. I still had moisture and mildew issues using green board and bathroom paint. Here are some shots of the tear down... Yes I know it was ugly  Just stick around, it gets better... I think
You can see some mildew from where the old sump sat...
And this is what the exhaust fan 4" pipe looked like after 2 years of use... Yuck!

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08-02-2007, 03:29 PM
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So on to the new!
After everthing was gutted from the room, bleached, and stripped, I added the floor. I elected on vinyl due to the ease of cleanup and if one tears, breaks or whatever, it's .$79 a square foot
Next up was the walls. I found some fiberglass shower surround sheets that I applied to the wall with water resistant/hard drying adhesive. Here are the first few sheets.
Here the walls are almost completely up, calked and cured. The room will essentially hold about 3" of water now before it begins to flow out for the door

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08-02-2007, 03:33 PM
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08-02-2007, 03:44 PM
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08-02-2007, 03:45 PM
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super cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08-02-2007, 03:48 PM
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08-02-2007, 03:52 PM
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08-02-2007, 03:57 PM
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The infrastructure mostly done: I only had electrical, which I still have to finish and a few other items. Then it's plumbing and equipment time!
The west wall:
The supports are bow wrapped:
The lower end of the east end, with braces installed and wrapped!
The north and west wall:
The door jam painted. Funny the sticker on the door stated that it would only be warranted if painted within 48 hours of hanging. Oops:

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08-02-2007, 04:01 PM
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I just had to have better lighting over the sink and the work and fragging areas, so I added some low-volt undercabinet lighting:
Starting to tuck the wires which are all ran through 2" pvc in order to hide the uglies!
Bulk heads installed in the lil cube and it's in it's place.

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08-02-2007, 04:03 PM
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Just for fun, here was the concept of the big tank that won't be happening. So after viewing, please delete from memory

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08-02-2007, 04:12 PM
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So that's about as far as I made it so far on the wetroom.
Where is the 190 going?
Here in my livingroom. I built a 125 in the wall six years ago and it will accomodate a tank up to 30" deep. I went with a 25" deep tank this time as wanted room all around the tank for future plumbing/flow ideas.
Here is a pic before the finishwork was done on the 125:
With the trim done:
And now as my reef tank.
Before I tore my 450 down, I had a bit of a problem that led to the demise of most of my SPS. So the 125 has just been a holding tank for my critters until the next step, which was suposed to be the resurection of the big tank. With that not happening, it's still holding on to critters until the tank is done.
So that's it for now. The tank is a few weeks out, but I'll go over the details about flow ideas and livestock intent later
Thanks for looking!
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08-02-2007, 04:14 PM
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super cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Amy!
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08-02-2007, 04:15 PM
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your idea of simple is FAR different from mine 
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