Help two dead fish!!! - Page 5

Rippey · 10-12-2006, 04:50 PM

That amonia remover is just a type of salt that makes the ammonia non toxic, thats what the smell is. I used the same stuff on a fresh water tank and it made it smell like rott. I drillled a hole in my skimmer and used tube to drain into an empty milk jug. Try adjusting the air wood or air flow to help the water from bubling over.

Timmy77 · 10-12-2006, 06:38 PM

Well I just completed a 30 g water change. Things are already looking better. I will test the water in a few hours to see how things look. I think the rest of my fish are going to make it.

I also started my 55g qt tank today. From now on I'm going to slow down and qt fish before adding to the main tank. Should I run copper all the time in the qt tank? What other meds should I have on hand?

gregb · 10-12-2006, 08:45 PM

Fallow means to leave vacant or not used for six weeks. Go to church & pray for a while that will also help.

Rippey · 10-12-2006, 11:12 PM

Im not shure on the copper all the time in the quarntine tank. I always make a new batch when i spot an ill fish. i dont see the harm in it. I always take the water out of the tank that its in then add copper. then dump the water

Mike01z · 10-13-2006, 12:21 AM

I wouldn't do copper all the time in the qt tank, only use it if you need to i.e new arrivals have ich. That way the fish or whatever can be happy until you put them in the big tank. Remember the 55 gallon will need to cycle also so if you just put fish in it right away they will likely die.

I'd invest in some decent test kits and then follow all the advice on here, I bet intime it will all work out.

mdcorcoran · 10-13-2006, 12:32 AM

i dont know about using new pennies for a source of copper.
I don't think they are made of copper anymore. They're about 98% zinc and 2% copper.

Rippey · 10-13-2006, 06:05 AM

The shell is copper and they make a diffrence, toss some in a steril cup of your favorite saltinty salt water and in a little bit it will start to register on a tester.

Timmy77 · 10-13-2006, 09:01 AM

What should I put in the 55 to help it cycle? It has no sand or anything. Should I put a piece of live rock in it from my sump? What about some cromis? I was thinking about getting some of those for my display tank anyway. I'm also guessing that if I use any equipment on the qt tank once I use copper it should never be used on my display tank again.

Timmy77 · 10-13-2006, 09:06 AM

I still can't get my skimmer to run right. The bubbles are to fine even wene I turn down the air valve. It's a euroreef 8-3. I never had that problem before all of this.

Rippey · 10-13-2006, 04:09 PM

Their air is sposed to be fine. Try moving the stone up or down. I add snails and crabs will waiting to cycle to keep the backteria going. If you clean equipment real real real good you could use it, but i woudnt use the tank or easyly replaced tubes, Also never use the air stone it will store it.

BLEEZY · 10-13-2006, 05:56 PM

every time you add new rock you are starting another cycle that could potentially kill off your live sand and live rock to a degree, you have to add lr all at once and never ever introduce new rock without curing it. it says that in every book on aquariums out there.

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Originally Posted by Timmy77

I added some ammonia remover that I bought at wallmart. This was before I realized what was going on. My water is very cloudy this morning and the water smells funny. The fish look happy though. I am doing a 25g water change when I get home tonight.

i never really trust these chemicals, but i cant say that i KNOW they dont work, you really need to up your bio filter, not just add chemicals. you say that your fish look happy? no offense but did they jump out and say that they were content with their envoirment?

lol you really need to watch your corals and test,

testing is the only way to know whether or not your fish are actually happy.

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Originally Posted by Timmy77

Well I just completed a 30 g water change. Things are already looking better. I will test the water in a few hours to see how things look. I think the rest of my fish are going to make it.

I also started my 55g qt tank today. From now on I'm going to slow down and qt fish before adding to the main tank. Should I run copper all the time in the qt tank? What other meds should I have on hand?

i dont ever use copper, the fw dip will kill off the parasites because the cell walls cannot sustain themselves through osmosis, so putting the fish in the fw(be sure to add buffer to correct the fw dip's ph and a heater for temp.) for about ten minutes will kill the ich but not the fish, if the fish acts stressed or has labored breathing for more than a minute or so i would take it out.

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Originally Posted by Timmy77

What should I put in the 55 to help it cycle? It has no sand or anything. Should I put a piece of live rock in it from my sump? What about some cromis? I was thinking about getting some of those for my display tank anyway. I'm also guessing that if I use any equipment on the qt tank once I use copper it should never be used on my display tank again.

do us a favor and retest and post up the results of ammonia, nitrite nitrate, salinity and ph. keeping the tank within proper chemistry is the first most important thing in maintaining good husbandry.
dont ever use fish to cycle a tank, it is very cruel and really not that beneficial, either the fish survives in a bad state or it dies making even more ammonia than the tank will produce with the introduction of some lr. for your qt tank,i would make a stable cave out of lr for the fish to hide in and set up a hob filter with carbon incase you run copper. you can wash off the copper you just have to make sure you get all of it. remember that when you qt new fish you have to do it for a minimum of 6 weeks if you want qt'ing to have any point to it.
hope all this helps you to improve your tank! this place is for learning and i know im still learning something every time i log on, hope you can get your tank in shape

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BLEEZY · 10-13-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rippey

Their air is sposed to be fine. Try moving the stone up or down. I add snails and crabs will waiting to cycle to keep the backteria going. If you clean equipment real real real good you could use it, but i woudnt use the tank or easyly replaced tubes, Also never use the air stone it will store it.

i wouldnt add snails, they are very sensitive to non cycled/non stable tanks. Not sure what all this talk about keeping the cycle going is about, just be sure to have lr, and add phyto in small quantities if your not feeding any critters in there to keep a quantity of bacteria, every time you add a new fish, even if your tank only has lr, the bacteria will increase, having critters in there wontmake the bacteria any stronger or anything.

BLEEZY · 10-13-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy77

I still can't get my skimmer to run right. The bubbles are to fine even wene I turn down the air valve. It's a euroreef 8-3. I never had that problem before all of this.

think about it, when ever something unusual happens in your tank you have to think of the variables, the things done out of the ordinary, in your case you recently added ammonia clear, you didnt have this problem untill now so i can safely theorize it is the ammonia clear.

Timmy77 · 10-14-2006, 10:59 PM

Well my kole tang died today.

I added a drain hose to my skimmer and let it run till it slowed down. I also replaced my charcoal again. Test results below.

nitrate 40

Nitrite 0

ppm ? the strip turned blue, I think it should be green

pH 8.4

Timmy77 · 10-14-2006, 11:02 PM

I'm realy still having second thoughts about keeping my setup.