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Old 10-14-2001, 08:44 PM   #1
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Garlic Treatment: Step-by-step


As many of you know I don't have my set up yet. Even though I might be a full year away from getting a Regal Tang in my so to be reef tank I would like to know how to treat ich. I have done hours of reading on the subject(ok mabye about 30 minutes of reading), BTW great article on garlic treatment horge. I have read in many places that ich is just a sign of something else afoul in your tank. When I do encounter my first case of ich, I want to be ready. So I was wondering if someone had a step by step process in ich treatment with garlic feeding. Thx
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Old 10-14-2001, 09:05 PM   #2
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When my Tang got ich I put him in a quarantine and dosed with Copper. I did my research on the lifecycle of the ich parasite and decided to starve them off. I kept all fish out of my display tank for a month and a half. I dosed with Copper for about two weeks until all inverts were killed in the Q-Tank. I did about 5 water changes in the Q-Tank to clear out any copper. I moved my Tang back into the display tank and he is doing good till this day.
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Old 10-14-2001, 09:22 PM   #3
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Kranny,
Please read Horge's great Garlic article:
http://www.geocities.com/horge1218/garlic.html
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Old 10-15-2001, 01:27 AM   #4
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Hi,

There is unfortunately no standard protocol for garlic, and my article merely was a wild ramble on HOW garlic might work, and why it might not.

In any case, I administer garlic in this manner, presuming the malady to be ich (cryptocaryosis):

If the fish is no longer eating, you can forget about garlic.
If the fish is not an herbivore, then you will have to use extracts (Kyolic, etc.) to soak their accustomed food in.
If the fish IS an herbivore, you can attempt feeding raw, fresh garlic.

For raw garlic, I use morsels no larger than the fish's eye, fed from once to thrice daily.

Dosage is really is up to you, and a number of fishes can be quite aggressive in pursuit of garlic to eat, including many tangs and even some damsels. You know you are feeding wayyyy too much when you see blood-tinted mucus trailing from the anus of the fish --while alarming to see, this rarely is a fatal condition. You know you are feeding too little if you still see evidence of 'ich' on the fish.

The basic idea is to keep feeding for at least 72 days from the last visible manifestation of ich, and to make sure ALL fishes in the tank get their share. This is supposed to deny the parasites of recognizable hosts (the fishes wind up 'smelling' unfamiliar).

If even one fish in the community remains untreated, it will likely become a refuge for the parasites, from which a recurrence of the plague will spring after you're done treating all the other fishies.

I really wish there was a standard dosage available, but that will have to come from the multitude of individual experiences of reef hobbyists the world over, hehe. To wit: YOU do the dirty work!



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Old 10-15-2001, 05:04 AM   #5
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Thx for the reply...looks like there is no way around it, I'm going to need a q-tank for a backup. My only worry about a q-tank is If I treat a fish for ich with copper in my q-tank, and then once the fish is cured I move him/her back to the display tank will there be any trace of copper left on the fish?
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Old 10-15-2001, 07:56 AM   #6
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Bringing in copper via a fish?
Not likely, thank goodness.

Big diff between a QTank and a Hospital tank: the former is primarily for observation of a new fish, possibly with preventative meds. The latter is for intensive medication of resident fish that have fallen ill.

But when you say move him/her BACK to the display, then I'm thinking other fishes (presuming there are any) in the display may be carriers/hosts that can get the treated fish sick again.

Once ich breaks out in a tank, ALL fishes are to be treated
Same is true for a lot of other diseases.

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Old 10-15-2001, 09:02 AM   #7
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I have heard lots of variations. But here is what I did and it worked.


I had three ick breakouts and lost at least one fish on each one.
Then I heard about the garlic treatment.

The fourth time that I started to notice the little white spots I went to a health food store and bought a bottle of liquid garlic extract (needs to be refrigerated). Everyday for three weeks I soaked flake and pellet food in the liquid 20 minutes before feeding. The ick went away without a fish loss.

Now once a week (every Friday - we call it Italian night) I give them the garlic treatment as a preventative. This was back in May and I have not seen a single spot of ick since.

I would do the once a week preventative treatment "before" you have a problem.
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Old 10-15-2001, 02:44 PM   #8
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Thanks for all the comments people!
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