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Old 01-10-2006, 09:36 AM   #1
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Filtration help


Instead of working, I have been cruising through the threads here for the past couple hours. I am a new member, so bring on the bananas.
Well here is the scenario, and I know it has been brought up before. I found a smoking deal on a 40 gal acrylic tank with built in overflow, icecap 430 ballast with 2 vho lights, an amiracle 14 gallon wet dry filter, and stand/cannopy. For those curious, I am getting this for $200.00.
I plan to set this up with 40-50 pounds of live sand and 40 punds of live rock to start. Live Rock will later increase to 60 pounds when I add coral.
Since I have heard such negative talk about bio balls, I want to scrap them. This aquarium is meant to be a hobby, so price is totally a factor for me, but so is quality.
Yes I am long winded, so here is the question.
Would a refugium filtration setup with a skimmer as the return be recommended?
or
Would Refugium with skimmer inside and a pump as the return be recomended?

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Old 01-10-2006, 09:51 AM   #2
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Welcome to TRT! Using a skimmer for a return wont work, the back pressure will pretty much blow it out the window. The return would have to be a pump. As far as the refugium, they need slow flow so that the macro algae has time to absorb the nutrients. Very slow flow to be most effective. The most common set up is with e fuge being either seperate or built into the sump in a way that only part of the flow through the sump gets to the fuge. There are alot of ways to do it, just remember, the fuge will need cleaning too!

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Old 01-10-2006, 10:01 AM   #3
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Good deal on the setup
You know you can rewire the 430 to run a 3rd vho depending on length, how long is the tank?

Have you read up on the sandbed vs no sandbed vs deep sand bed debate?

Before spending any more money sit down and decide what types of corals you want to keep, if you are only going to run VHO light that will be a limiting factor, should be sufficient for most soft corals and the like, but probably not enough light to keep clams or most SPS corals.
Differnt corals have different needs, so by choosing the biotope you want to emulate you can focus on setting the tank up for that.

Personally I would save the money for live sand, if you must have a sand bed a shallow layer of aragonite oolitic sand is a lot easier to clean over time and less apt to become a nutrient sink like a deep sand bed
Get all your rock at once and let it cycle, have patience, if you let it cure in the dark for 2-3 months it should expell all the nasties in and on it and be more stable in the long run, read up on "cooking" liverock
The bioballs you can do without, the liverock will provide filtration, refugiums or algae filters in sump can create issues of their own and add complication, I would rather spend the $ on a good skimmer, since you got a sweet deal on the original setup that would be the next major purchase, dont skimp on it, get a good one the first time
Take your time in the planning stage, run your questions and ideas by us and we can give you ideas on what works and doesnt. While its possible to throw a reef together quickly, look at the endless stream of threads on hair algae/cyanobacteria outbreaks and incompatability issues
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